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(02 Dec 2020, 22:40 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]

(02 Dec 2020, 00:51 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]Gender is not a lifestyle.

Of course not. "gender" to "lifestyle" is like a "red" to "apple". Completely different things, however, there are red apples 😊

Indians had 4 genders: men, women, masculine women and feminine men. All these genders had different lifestyles, none of them were considered superior or inferior. No gender dysphoria possible. You can be or wear or do whatever you feel like and still be very useful for the society. So, again, gender issue is mostly a social inflicted issue.

Yeah but the thing is that I and probably many trans women do not see ourselves as feminine men. So its not an issue of inferiority or not being able to wear a style of clothing or even being useful to society; its a problem with my body and its fundamental biology.

(02 Dec 2020, 22:31 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]

(02 Dec 2020, 01:27 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]You're 175? Lucky you!

I always wanted to be taller 😁 On heels I'm 185 and it feels sooooo high!!! 😁

Trust me, up here in the stratosphere I can touch the clouds 😁

(02 Dec 2020, 22:48 )no smile Wrote: [ -> ]

(02 Dec 2020, 16:52 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]You see, I know that I am fundamentally female and feminine but the problem is that i am also attracted (sometimes sexually) to external femininity and women. So my issue is that for some reason I cannot reconcile those two in my mind; that is identifying as female and also being attracted to females. I've read that cis lesbians have the same problem sometimes minus the gender feelings because for them they sometimes say that they don't know whether they envy her, want to be her, want to be friends with her or want to be with her. I feel the same way but since I am not a cis female, my sexual feelings towards femininity sometimes cause me to go into denial of who I feel inside as a woman (a non-sexual feeling) and then I start purging my identity and attribute it to some feminization fetish only to regret it a short time later.
Also see this post I wrote yesterday for more detail:

(01 Dec 2020, 00:12 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]Since I like women and do not like me

(01 Dec 2020, 06:28 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]For me its more complicated. Sissy hypnos opened me up to liking being with a man. Although in real life almost all men are a turn off. So I am basically exclusively attracted to women although that changes if I imagine myself in the female form (as I should be). Then it feels more natural to be with a guy because I wouldn't really want to be with a woman. Basically the reason I sometimes conflate my gender and sexuality is because I might be a lesbian in denial. I just cannot reconcile being a woman and being with a woman because my mind would just want to be friends with her or envy her beauty. There would just be no spark of attraction because she would be just like me. I've read somewhere that gay people and straight people always have the same orientation despite the gender they identify as. For example, I read that a formerly gay man transitioned to become female and then came out as a lesbian despite having no prior attraction to women. So I guess I will always be drawn to heterosexual attraction and relationships. But I think if I were to ever have the ability to transition in real life, things would get sorted out or I would be at peace with whoever I am attracted to then because I would no longer have conflicting gender identity feelings.

I feel, reading this discussion with interest, that you enlighten the complexity of trans-identity.  It seems quite obvious you consider yourself a trans women but what I understand is that you seems afraid of your sexual orientation and the possible changes linked to a transition.  But I'm not sure to understand why.  As you said, you might be a lesbian in denial but then, you seem afraid of having autogynephilia (if I remember well). But I don't think you can be sure that you would be with a women exclusively because you would want to be like her.  Once you'll find your position in the transspectrum (how much you transition, how you want to pass and by which means that suits you : the way you dress, using makeup or not, going through surgery or not, acting feminine -wholy,partly,not at all, begin boutch, etc-, wearing heeled shoes or not, which social attitude you feel like yours as a woman, your social behaviour, ...)  you'll more likely search for something other than a model (or at least, not a "myself as a women model" but more something that completes yourself as some good couples have).  You might/seems be driven by envy and hormones in your actual position while once your transition is stable, you'll naturally search for something else but I don't think you can know for now. Some trans keep their sexual orientation while others changes it and it all depends of their own path.  (I believe transitioning certainly is a life changer as much as a storm)

But you seems aware of this fact so maybe you should search around this conflict and why it bothers you.  (the conflict and not the orientation)

I don't think you should bother about your sexual orientation (or fetish if there is some) for now and more think of all the rest (social life, work, how people refer to you, ...).   Then, if you are sure of your gender identity, and still feel the same way, as aeady said in this thread, you should probably see a specialist or search for a way you might transition (there are so much ways) and get yourself in peace about it.  The rest will follow.  

To compare to myself (I'm a cis-man) if that may help you : I do envy woman and yes, I do get attraction imaging myself a woman and wanting to look like one and I also, sometimes, see myself (as a women or not btw) being with a men.  I have the female finger ratio, I'm little and have some women attitude.   But I'm pretty sure I'm not trans. I'm more against the sexual binary epistemiology which enforce me to identify myself as a men but within it, I don't believe I'm trans.  (What I mean is it seem the interest is in some way the same while the gender is not, hence the point being why it bothers you and not the conflict in itself)

Hope it helps

Yes it does help no smile! Thank you for your advice. I also think that I should just focus on my gender identity right now and the rest will follow. Actually today I read a comment elsewhere where someone wrote that sometimes people only discover their true sexual orientation after resolving their gender identities first.

(02 Dec 2020, 00:22 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]there's no point in me offering you a definition since you described yourself as trans-skeptical anyways.

I can be sarcastic or play a troll in saying that you are CIS-phobic, or that I feel discriminated and denigrated by my beliefs, etc. But this thread proved, that in politically-sensitive discussions sarcasm, "British humour", irony are either misinterpreted or misunderstood, or used word by word to "label" the opponent according to what is needed to achieve 😁

So... Back to trans-sceptics. Let's recall the original context. At first trans-scepticism was mentioned by @wolford57 :

(27 Nov 2020, 03:02 )wolford57 Wrote: [ -> ]I am skeptical of the "trans ideology" in many ways

Then I replied with:

(29 Nov 2020, 23:41 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]During the time this thread exists I went from "trans-sceptical" to "trans-enthusiastic" and back to "trans-sceptical".

Apparently the words "trans-enthusiastic" were lost somehow during the "selective reading"? Ooops... sorry ... it was an irony...

Anyway, to avoid possible ambiguity, this is what *I* mean under "trans-scepticism". At first I thought, that HRT is a magic pill, that would transfer a male into a passable female. Yes, I found multiple transition lines, that clearly show a boy on the first photo and a girl on the last one. Cool! It works, I thought. Then I started digging. And it turned out, that most "successful transitionings" were either because of plastic surgery or "the art of photography". Nothing wrong with that, but it just proved, that there is no magic pill. We had a very lengthy and hot discussion in this thread, so I will not repeat all this stuff again. So, my "new state of mind" is "unless you are very young, or old, or too fat, or aeady can be confused with either a boy or a girl, HRT will not make you a pretty passable girl. And if you can't "pass", there is no reason to transition.

This is what I call "trans-sceptic".

(02 Dec 2020, 22:48 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]that the first part did sound like a guided meditation

Yes, it is a guided meditation.

(21 May 2014, 14:26 )vanessa_fetish Wrote: [ -> ]

(21 May 2014, 00:13 )Tinker D Wrote: [ -> ]Yes and no. It depends on the doctor and the amount you have.
Also it's the country you live in.

I have seen good ones and really bad ones as well.

And your not alone, I would love to have an inverted penis. But I was told that to keep it in shape, you'll have to wear a dildo almost all the time, or at lease every night when you sleep.

Seen good and bad as well.

The "dildos" are stents, used in progressing sizes after surgery to aid the formation and keep it from collapsing and "sticking" to itself. Usually done for only a period of months, though those who are post op I know who aren't very sexually active will use the stents off and on. So far only one post op friend has had problems with the vagina (think that is from her not using the stents as often as she should have after surgery...)

Can you still have orgasm after SRS?

(02 Dec 2020, 22:51 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah but the thing is that I and probably many trans women do not see ourselves as feminine men.

I think it's a question of "labeling", "stigmatizing" and painful associations. I bet Indians did not care about the nuances. Yes, the body can not be altered, unless you reached the correct level of energo-transfrmation, but as @vanessa_fetish said - it's the understanding within, and even passing does not matter), so what Indian did is the ultimate and very positive solution.

(02 Dec 2020, 23:12 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]

(02 Dec 2020, 00:22 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]there's no point in me offering you a definition since you described yourself as trans-skeptical anyways.

I can be sarcastic or play a troll in saying that you are CIS-phobic, or that I feel discriminated and denigrated by my beliefs, etc. But this thread proved, that in politically-sensitive discussions sarcasm, "British humour", irony are either misinterpreted or misunderstood, or used word by word to "label" the opponent according to what is needed to achieve 😁

So... Back to trans-sceptics. Let's recall the original context. At first trans-scepticism was mentioned by @wolford57 :

(27 Nov 2020, 03:02 )wolford57 Wrote: [ -> ]I am skeptical of the "trans ideology" in many ways

Then I replied with:

(29 Nov 2020, 23:41 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]During the time this thread exists I went from "trans-sceptical" to "trans-enthusiastic" and back to "trans-sceptical".

Apparently the words "trans-enthusiastic" were lost somehow during the "selective reading"? Ooops... sorry ... it was an irony...

Anyway, to avoid possible ambiguity, this is what *I* mean under "trans-scepticism". At first I thought, that HRT is a magic pill, that would transfer a male into a passable female. Yes, I found multiple transition lines, that clearly show a boy on the first photo and a girl on the last one. Cool! It works, I thought. Then I started digging. And it turned out, that most "successful transitionings" were either because of plastic surgery or "the art of photography". Nothing wrong with that, but it just proved, that there is no magic pill. We had a very lengthy and hot discussion in this thread, so I will not repeat all this stuff again. So, my "new state of mind" is "unless you are very young, or old, or too fat, or aeady can be confused with either a boy or a girl, HRT will not make you a pretty passable girl. And if you can't "pass", there is no reason to transition.

This is what I call "trans-sceptic".

Ok thanks for being clear. Semantics can be difficult at times! 😁

I hover on the border of what can be called passing. I know that by 25 your hips fuse, so if I wait several more years I have no chance in changing bone structure. I honestly think HRT would work well except I would just have larger than normal hands, feet, height head? as well as a guy's voice. Its really unfortunate I could not start before puberty set in because there are some trans individuals out there with very supporting parents and their results are indistinguishable from biological females.

(02 Dec 2020, 22:48 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]Anyways, I don't like how you consider trans identities as energetic parasites.

WHERE THE F#$%^& YOU SAW ME MENTIONING THAT???????????????? You can be, feel, think whatever you want, but your thinking must not be altered or affected by anything!!!!!

See what I meant? You did this again! Pfffff.......

(02 Dec 2020, 23:20 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]Yes, the body can not be altered, unless you reached the correct level of energo-transfrmation

More on this please! 😊

...I find it strange how the fundamental nature of the universe of matter, atoms themselves, is empty space, yet our physical bodies and biology are so stubborn! Why can't the energy we call mind simply morph the empty energetic space we call matter to it's liking?