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(25 Nov 2020, 03:11 )essanym Wrote: [ -> ]I put myself down as genderqueer on fetlife because I don't exactly fit either gender role, I think I'm somewhere in between but I could easily adapt to a more feminine gender role before I could adapt to a more masculine one.



You're so lucky you're mostly ok with any identity! Much easier to accept and make peace with oneself. 😁
Personally, I am only ok with being female but unfortunately I don't have a choice and so being stuck in the male form with gender dysphoria is not such a great experience. Basically 90% of my days are spent thinking about what its like to be and live as the opposite sex and why life is so unfair to have dealt me these cards  😟

Also thank you essanym for being so open with your responses, you definitely answered all my questions!
(24 Nov 2020, 22:49 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]
(24 Nov 2020, 22:39 )vanessa_fetish Wrote: [ -> ]There are many reasons a person transitions. I needed my body to match who I knew I was. I've come to grips I most likely won't get confirmation surgery, due to health, but I know I am still female no matter what anyone says.
But didn't you say, that transitioning does not change much for the outside world (e.g. "no pass"), and it's only you inside (since other do not see it) who feels who you are? So, what does transitioning change for yourself? You "aeady" know it?

No, what I said is what matters most is what you think of yourself. That most do not "pass" etc, see the post.

I give up trying to explain, I have said things in clear terms that a child can even understand. And I am tired of cisgens trivializing the trans spectrum.
(22 Nov 2020, 00:14 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so i'm struggling 😟 I tried to quit (for about a week) but I realize that you cant just throw out your identity like your female clothes (which i strongly regret a week later). Simply put, I don't think I am nor can I ever force myself to be a (straight) guy or even a feminine male. I tried so hard, but I kept being drawn back into femininity. At first it I thought I was mistaking it for attraction, but actually I am just jealous. I really hate that I was born and stuck as XY and not XX. I think this personal gender experiment is over and I have to accept that i'm just "one of the girls" from now.

WOW, orgasm is such a powerful and sobering thing. You know I am not really sure anymore what to think of my gender identity or sexuality. Basically I feel feminine, I want to be female (if I could magically transition), but I also see its not possible or viable in my life. And all that time spent of feminization files or crossdressing or body-changing subliminals just to achieve a tiny fraction of femininity that a cis woman has is really not compatible with my current life and lifestyle. And this leads me to my second point of having slight envy of women because they can live the life of my dreams in the body of my dreams. For example, look at social media celebrities, vloggers, influencers and sports models, they can look feminine, attractive, be sponsored by female clothes companies and be the envy of countless other women/ draw the attractions of many guys all the while amassing an enormous income. Yet under all that surface envy, I also feel a deep emotional and physical attraction towards women. 

So in my mind its really difficult to reconcile all these factors: my desire to be female, the impossibility of being female, my envy of natural females, my attraction to females and finally my addiction to hypnosis files that act as an escapism for all these feeling including using sissy hypnosis to remove my attraction to women.

Tbh, I would just be happy to have been born cis female either hetero or lesbian. As all these abstract genders feelings swirling in my head all day long which have no physical or biological basis in reality are creating enormous cognitive dissonance in my head. I am really considering to quit on all things that have to do with gender and sexuality and follow a more zen approach in life.
(25 Nov 2020, 22:03 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]WOW, orgasm is such a powerful and sobering thing. You know I am not really sure anymore what to think of my gender identity or sexuality. Basically I feel feminine, I want to be female (if I could magically transition), but I also see its not possible or viable in my life. And all that time spent of feminization files or crossdressing or body-changing subliminals just to achieve a tiny fraction of femininity that a cis woman has is really not compatible with my current life and lifestyle. And this leads me to my second point of having slight envy of women because they can live the life of my dreams in the body of my dreams. For example, look at social media celebrities, vloggers, influencers and sports models, they can look feminine, attractive, be sponsored by female clothes companies and be the envy of countless other women/ draw the attractions of many guys all the while amassing an enormous income. Yet under all that surface envy, I also feel a deep emotional and physical attraction towards women.

So in my mind its really difficult to reconcile all these factors: my desire to be female, the impossibility of being female, my envy of natural females, my attraction to females and finally my addiction to hypnosis files that act as an escapism for all these feeling including using sissy hypnosis to remove my attraction to women.

Tbh, I would just be happy to have been born cis female either hetero or lesbian. As all these abstract genders feelings swirling in my head all day long which have no physical or biological basis in reality are creating enormous cognitive dissonance in my head. I am really considering to quit on all things that have to do with gender and sexuality and follow a more zen approach in life.

I'm not trying to diminish your feelings at all, but your situation is far from unique to you. Many others have gone through the same feelings as you and are actively living as women now and some of them are really good at it. Are you going to give up on working towards more happiness before you even try?
(26 Nov 2020, 07:09 )essanym Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trying to diminish your feelings at all, but your situation is far from unique to you. Many others have gone through the same feelings as you and are actively living as women now and some of them are really good at it. Are you going to give up on working towards more happiness before you even try?

I know what you mean but to me it all seems like a lost cause and orgasm really drives home these hopeless feelings. Like I don't even know where to begin and its probably too late anyways 😔
(26 Nov 2020, 16:49 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]I know what you mean but to me it all seems like a lost cause and orgasm really drives home these hopeless feelings. Like I don't even know where to begin and its probably too late anyways 😔

I don't think it's too late for you.  A friend of mine started transitioning in her 50s and is successfully living full time as a woman.  I feel like you might have more hope if you were to make some progress.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that you start living as female, I'm only suggesting that you follow your heart.  If living as a woman is one of your goals, the first thing you must do is find a therapist that specializes in that sort of thing.  They will work with you to make the determination on how you proceed and if necessary, give you a letter for medical doctors to get you on hormones, etc.

I'm too lazy to go look but didn't you say you're in college?  If so, you're aeady doing better than I was doing when I was college aged.  I started transitioning when I was 23, unemployed, broke and making bad life decisions.  If only I had the good sense to go to college, I'd probably have made better choices and wouldn't have had to stop my transition.  I think you're aeady on the right path in life, you just need to keep your chin up and keep going.  Don't be so discouraged.
(25 Nov 2020, 22:03 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]WOW, orgasm is such a powerful and sobering thing. You know I am not really sure anymore what to think of my gender identity or sexuality. Basically I feel feminine, I want to be female (if I could magically transition), but I also see its not possible or viable in my life. And all that time spent of feminization files or crossdressing or body-changing subliminals just to achieve a tiny fraction of femininity that a cis woman has is really not compatible with my current life and lifestyle. And this leads me to my second point of having slight envy of women because they can live the life of my dreams in the body of my dreams. For example, look at social media celebrities, vloggers, influencers and sports models, they can look feminine, attractive, be sponsored by female clothes companies and be the envy of countless other women/ draw the attractions of many guys all the while amassing an enormous income. Yet under all that surface envy, I also feel a deep emotional and physical attraction towards women. 

I don't post much on here but I think we're all reacting to this thread because all of us, many who are old enough to be your parents, see pieces of our younger selves in you. Since we can't send messages back in time to ourselves, this is the next best thing I guess.

My story is different from yours because I am and have always been more at peace with my male self than you seem to be. I had a wonderful relationship with my dad and lots of male friends and I am happy doing lots of very "typical male" things like working on cars or being the boss professionally and so on. But, going back as far as high school I've also had lots of close female friends. Even before puberty I was sometimes a little jealous of what girls got to wear, and if I'm honest with myself I check plenty of the boxes for dysphoria. I'm extremely verbal. 

I'm also heteroromantic, though I was a very late bloomer when it came to dating and relationships. A lot of that was due to insecurity and uncertainty about my "unique" sexuality and how that would work out. Eventually, I decided to focus my dating in the kink/BDSM community where at the very least, I knew women would at least respect who I was, even if they decided they didn't want to fuck me. Things got a lot better after that. It helped I was in a large and very cosmopolitan city. 

Lots of people say they couldn't transition because they couldn't afford it, they're worried about their career, or their parents would disown them. None of those apply to me: I'm very successful professionally, I'm in an industry in a city that's loudly pro-trans, and my parents--who I think would have come to peace eventually, but I imagine it would have been HARD--are both gone. What stops me then is different. My GF of some years now is straight, but she also doesn't mind seeing a man in a dress--she's unique that way. I think if I became in mind and her eyes a woman, that could change. But more than that, I wonder what I would look like--and I suspect I'd make a pretty ugly woman. If I had a letter from the deity upstairs saying, "you're gonna be hot," maybe I'd feel differently. 

Where I'm at today, I feel like I'd like to express my female persona just a bit more--I'd like to wear a wig, and makeup, and go out that way into the world. My GF has not ruled this out, other than she wants to try it somewhere other than our home city. I guess that will have to wait for the post-Covid world. I don't know where that will lead. A big part of me thinks I will be happy for femininity to be a place I visit. But who knows? I think too of some of the other women I dated, one of whom was very pan, and who probably would have encouraged me to "go all the way" so to speak if that's where my heart took me. My GF now would in her own way probably tell me to keep going, but she might not follow me there. 

If I could send a letter back in time to myself, I would tell myself to try to be braver about expressing all of my identities and finding out which one was right for me. I would tell myself to screw up my courage and buy makeup and get dressed and go hang out in LGBT-friendly spaces and meet more real people. I would have had obstacles but I used many of them as excuses. I would tell myself that you can be a girl one day and a boy the next day and not to worry so much about what it might mean. Maybe I'd have ended up transitioning then when I didn't have lots of money and my Dad would have been shocked and convinced it was a terrible mistake and my super-guy friends would have recoiled from me. Or maybe I'd just be a lot better at makeup today and have a more developed girl side. 

On the other side, I would tell myself to be really careful about getting stuck in and spending too much time in my own head. We all have obsessive tendencies, and for me getting really wrapped up in the image and idea of femininity can be very... unrealistic. As an example, sometimes I see a clip of a ballerina, and I think, "I wish I could be her." The beauty, the physicality, the costume, all of it. Funny thing, most people born female think the same thing. Influencers, actresses, models--they are extreme outliers who 99.95% of women look at and envy. If I watch some porn where the woman is having a nuclear explosion of multiple orgasms and think, "I wish I could feel that," I also think of the woman I dated who has never had an orgasm, or all the ones who have one and get hypersensitive after that and need to stop. So, I try to think about what life as a woman--a normal, real woman--is like, and not some fake image or what one in a hundred thousand women get to live. Though if nothing else, I guess it brings us closer to experiencing life as a woman to wish we were younger, thinner, prettier, or more sexual. 

Anyway, I don't know what the right path for you is. I am skeptical of the "trans ideology" in many ways and at the same time I strongly support any person who is sincerely trying to find a way of living honestly that works for them. I think sometimes that if society were not (still!) so rigidly bound to gender roles, that we'd have a lot more men in dresses and a lot more women with crewcuts and fewer people would feel like medical transition was necessary. Who knows? I worry for people, especially those much younger than you, taking powerful drugs and going through life-altering surgeries when there is so much we don't understand. At the same time, if transition (of whatever form it takes) makes a person happier and able to live more fully, then I support that. I only worry that in the current climate, we have two sides that are fighting over whether people should be allowed to transition, when what I want to know is, does it really work?

The way things work, society often swings far past the center to one side before finding the happy medium. Maybe we're heading to that world and we're just in the swing to one side now. If so, I hope we get there while I can still look good in a skirt.
(27 Nov 2020, 03:02 )wolford57 Wrote: [ -> ]
(25 Nov 2020, 22:03 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]WOW, orgasm is such a powerful and sobering thing. You know I am not really sure anymore what to think of my gender identity or sexuality. Basically I feel feminine, I want to be female (if I could magically transition), but I also see its not possible or viable in my life. And all that time spent of feminization files or crossdressing or body-changing subliminals just to achieve a tiny fraction of femininity that a cis woman has is really not compatible with my current life and lifestyle. And this leads me to my second point of having slight envy of women because they can live the life of my dreams in the body of my dreams. For example, look at social media celebrities, vloggers, influencers and sports models, they can look feminine, attractive, be sponsored by female clothes companies and be the envy of countless other women/ draw the attractions of many guys all the while amassing an enormous income. Yet under all that surface envy, I also feel a deep emotional and physical attraction towards women. 

I don't post much on here but I think we're all reacting to this thread because all of us, many who are old enough to be your parents, see pieces of our younger selves in you. Since we can't send messages back in time to ourselves, this is the next best thing I guess.

My story is different from yours because I am and have always been more at peace with my male self than you seem to be. I had a wonderful relationship with my dad and lots of male friends and I am happy doing lots of very "typical male" things like working on cars or being the boss professionally and so on. But, going back as far as high school I've also had lots of close female friends. Even before puberty I was sometimes a little jealous of what girls got to wear, and if I'm honest with myself I check plenty of the boxes for dysphoria. I'm extremely verbal. 

I'm also heteroromantic, though I was a very late bloomer when it came to dating and relationships. A lot of that was due to insecurity and uncertainty about my "unique" sexuality and how that would work out. Eventually, I decided to focus my dating in the kink/BDSM community where at the very least, I knew women would at least respect who I was, even if they decided they didn't want to fuck me. Things got a lot better after that. It helped I was in a large and very cosmopolitan city. 

Lots of people say they couldn't transition because they couldn't afford it, they're worried about their career, or their parents would disown them. None of those apply to me: I'm very successful professionally, I'm in an industry in a city that's loudly pro-trans, and my parents--who I think would have come to peace eventually, but I imagine it would have been HARD--are both gone. What stops me then is different. My GF of some years now is straight, but she also doesn't mind seeing a man in a dress--she's unique that way. I think if I became in mind and her eyes a woman, that could change. But more than that, I wonder what I would look like--and I suspect I'd make a pretty ugly woman. If I had a letter from the deity upstairs saying, "you're gonna be hot," maybe I'd feel differently. 

Where I'm at today, I feel like I'd like to express my female persona just a bit more--I'd like to wear a wig, and makeup, and go out that way into the world. My GF has not ruled this out, other than she wants to try it somewhere other than our home city. I guess that will have to wait for the post-Covid world. I don't know where that will lead. A big part of me thinks I will be happy for femininity to be a place I visit. But who knows? I think too of some of the other women I dated, one of whom was very pan, and who probably would have encouraged me to "go all the way" so to speak if that's where my heart took me. My GF now would in her own way probably tell me to keep going, but she might not follow me there. 

If I could send a letter back in time to myself, I would tell myself to try to be braver about expressing all of my identities and finding out which one was right for me. I would tell myself to screw up my courage and buy makeup and get dressed and go hang out in LGBT-friendly spaces and meet more real people. I would have had obstacles but I used many of them as excuses. I would tell myself that you can be a girl one day and a boy the next day and not to worry so much about what it might mean. Maybe I'd have ended up transitioning then when I didn't have lots of money and my Dad would have been shocked and convinced it was a terrible mistake and my super-guy friends would have recoiled from me. Or maybe I'd just be a lot better at makeup today and have a more developed girl side. 

On the other side, I would tell myself to be really careful about getting stuck in and spending too much time in my own head. We all have obsessive tendencies, and for me getting really wrapped up in the image and idea of femininity can be very... unrealistic. As an example, sometimes I see a clip of a ballerina, and I think, "I wish I could be her." The beauty, the physicality, the costume, all of it. Funny thing, most people born female think the same thing. Influencers, actresses, models--they are extreme outliers who 99.95% of women look at and envy. If I watch some porn where the woman is having a nuclear explosion of multiple orgasms and think, "I wish I could feel that," I also think of the woman I dated who has never had an orgasm, or all the ones who have one and get hypersensitive after that and need to stop. So, I try to think about what life as a woman--a normal, real woman--is like, and not some fake image or what one in a hundred thousand women get to live. Though if nothing else, I guess it brings us closer to experiencing life as a woman to wish we were younger, thinner, prettier, or more sexual. 

Anyway, I don't know what the right path for you is. I am skeptical of the "trans ideology" in many ways and at the same time I strongly support any person who is sincerely trying to find a way of living honestly that works for them. I think sometimes that if society were not (still!) so rigidly bound to gender roles, that we'd have a lot more men in dresses and a lot more women with crewcuts and fewer people would feel like medical transition was necessary. Who knows? I worry for people, especially those much younger than you, taking powerful drugs and going through life-altering surgeries when there is so much we don't understand. At the same time, if transition (of whatever form it takes) makes a person happier and able to live more fully, then I support that. I only worry that in the current climate, we have two sides that are fighting over whether people should be allowed to transition, when what I want to know is, does it really work?

The way things work, society often swings far past the center to one side before finding the happy medium. Maybe we're heading to that world and we're just in the swing to one side now. If so, I hope we get there while I can still look good in a skirt.

Thank you wolford57 for this helpful advice.

Unfortunately, it seems less and less plausible that I will go through with transitioning because my reality is not structured to support that change, besides I aeady missed out on a lot of fundamental womanhood years so there is really no more point in going through with this. Simply put, I won't ever pass socially/physically, i'll get a whole bunch of nasty side effects from HRT and finally I'll get ostracized from everyone I currently know. It's really not worth it in my mind. But I do believe in reincarnation so maybe next time around things will work out right from the start 😉

Now in order to deal with the daily pain of dysphoria, feelings of envy and general mental suffering, I'm choosing a more Zen direction/perspective to my life. It's basically Buddhism and all that enlightenment jazz where you dissolve the illusion of your identity (ego) and then that dissolves all your suffering. I've actually been studying this for years alongside my dysphoria feelings but never chose to commit because escaping with feminization hypnosis seemed easier and more tempting. Now I see it as futile. So I'll see how it goes with this new approach.
(27 Nov 2020, 05:23 )Hazel Wrote: [ -> ]Now in order to deal with the daily pain of dysphoria, feelings of envy and general mental suffering, I'm choosing a more Zen direction/perspective to my life. It's basically Buddhism and all that enlightenment jazz where you dissolve the illusion of your identity (ego) and then that dissolves all your suffering. I've actually been studying this for years alongside my dysphoria feelings but never chose to commit because escaping with feminization hypnosis seemed easier and more tempting. Now I see it as futile. So I'll see how it goes with this new approach.

Yeah, I don't think I am even close to that level of mind yet.

Does anyone else have any success stories of coming out in real life? Like first thinking that transitioning would be impossible for them and then somehow they changed their circumstances to make their dreams come true in reality?

Thanks!
Didn't essanym say they came out successfully, but stopped transitioning and vannessa fetish say she didn't have to transition, but is living as a woman? Those sound like success stories