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(11 Aug 2020, 15:50 )Frank Wrote: [ -> ]https://web.archive.org/web/200601150618...id/9138137 This provides some insight into what Lily, formerly known as Larry, went through during his/her transition. Some BDSM, crossdressing, dominatrixes, humiliation, hypnosis, and possibly blackmail. It reads like a fictional story.

Learnt something new again

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Let's drop it here. Do we need a separate "forced feminization" thread? In which forum?

The Forced Feminization Survey
© Angela Lewis 2011

Quote:In May of 2011 I posted up a survey for men who self-identified as being attracted to forced feminisation, and 105 people participated.

(11 Aug 2020, 15:50 )Frank Wrote: [ -> ]I saw the movies as a struggle between man/machine and reality/perception. Gender never was a part of that, although the character Switch did add the male/female duality

Keep in mind that it wan an analogy. As a transgender woman, I get it. Transitioning is about being your true self. In real life, a doctor looks at your genitals and says your gender is male or female and society will try to reinforce that decision someone else made. (It's even worse for people like me where were born intersex with ambiguous genitalia.) The Matrix (computer) is like that doctor and society in telling you who you are in life taking away free will. In the movie this of course a computer program gives you the illusion of free will while using you as a battery.

(24 Feb 2020, 19:35 )gunz Wrote: [ -> ]Notice that HRT aswell as SRS seems to have the lower age limit of 16.

https://www.christianheadlines.com/blog/...ights.html

Quote:A Dallas judge ruled last week that a mother of an 8-year-old boy may solely decide to allow her child to transition from a boy to a girl against the father’s wishes.

According to the Save James Facebook page, Judge Mary Brown ruled that Jeffrey Younger, the child’s father, does not have say in his son’s medical decision.

In 2019, Dr. Anne Georgulas, the mother of James Younger, said she would transition her son to a girl named Luna. The couple also have another son, Jude.

The #SaveJamesYounger hashtag went viral after the case made headlines. According to The Christian Post, Younger’s father told reporters that their child had shown “no signs of wanting to be a girl when given the choice.”

Later in 2019, Judge Kim Cooks ruled that both parents shared responsibility and the right to make medical decisions, but Geogulas’ attorneys filed a motion to have Cooks replaced after she shared a Facebook article and said, “The governor nor any legislature had any influence on the Court’s Decision.”

Cooks was then removed from the case in December.

In the latest ruling, Judge Mary Brown reversed the 2019 decision.

“James and Jude did NOT have a victory in court today,” the Save James Facebook page posted. “Judge Mary Brown has condemned James and Jude to a life of therapy, confusion, and abuse without even having a hearing. There are no other words for what has happened today.

“She has forced James to live as ‘Luna’ in a school surrounded by teachers and therapists who do not acknowledge that he has said multiple times to multiple people (without Jeff around) that he wants to be a boy and hates being forced to be a girl.

A hearing is scheduled for September to review the case.

“There is the sneaking suspicion that this hearing will be used to solidify Anne’s dominance over Jeff. We are fighting for the well-being of two young boys and their lives are treated as secondary. We need people to watch.”

Related:

Texas Judge Gives Dad Rights over 7-Year-Old Son's Gender Transition
Texas Dad Fights to Keep 7-Year-Old Son a Boy in Final Court Battle
Seven-Year-Old Son Embroiled in Transgender Court Case Chooses to Attend School as Boy
Judge in 7-Year-Old James Younger’s Gender Transition Case Recused

Whoa! Audio examples of pitch surgeries:

Microlaryngoscopy with web glottoplasty
Cricothyroid approximation + thyrohyoid suspension
Laser cord reduction
Cricothyroid approximation
Feminization laryngoplasty
Feminization laryngoplasty with thyrohyoid elevation

https://www.voicedoctor.net/surgery/audio-examples

Impressive!

(09 Nov 2020, 05:54 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Possibly, you simply have to accept yourself with all the fetishes you're born with?

So being transgender is a fetish?

It depends, and must be looked at on case by case basis. Autogynephilia is a fetish in my opinion (like everything with -philia at the end).

(09 Nov 2020, 05:54 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:- Big Pharma corporations are interested in getting billions of dollars from healthy, but gender dysphoric people

So say, that if i or anyone else has gender dysphoria, do I just not take hormones even though the reason I have the dysphoria is because I was not born with the ability to produce those hormones naturally?

Not quite. In place of jumping straight to HRT (what I see is quite encouraged nowadays), that dysphoria should be properly looked at by psychologists and "other specialists". Instead of punishing your body, you need to get to the roots of the dysphoria. Drugs should be the very last "remedy".

But that's for the TG thread, I will move it to that thread.

(09 Nov 2020, 15:31 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]

(09 Nov 2020, 05:54 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:Possibly, you simply have to accept yourself with all the fetishes you're born with?

So being transgender is a fetish?

It depends, and must be looked at on case by case basis. Autogynephilia is a fetish in my opinion (like everything with -philia at the end).

(09 Nov 2020, 05:54 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]

Quote:- Big Pharma corporations are interested in getting billions of dollars from healthy, but gender dysphoric people

So say, that if i or anyone else has gender dysphoria, do I just not take hormones even though the reason I have the dysphoria is because I was not born with the ability to produce those hormones naturally?

Not quite. In place of jumping straight to HRT (what I see is quite encouraged nowadays), that dysphoria should be properly looked at by psychologists and "other specialists". Instead of punishing your body, you need to get to the roots of the dysphoria. Drugs should be the very last "remedy".

But that's for the TG thread, I will move it to that thread.

(You can move this post to the TG thread as i don't know where it is, still new here😁)

So I understand your perspective, but at the same time I don't agree. Mainly because I am coming from a place of potentially being trans myself. Yes, my deep interest in feminization can be said to be a "fetish" to the outside observer as yourself or even a therapist, but i assure you that it runs deeper than that. So I would like to ask you (if that's ok): do you identify as transgender? If not,  do you maybe think that some of your statements above could be interpreted in the wrong way? Because when I read that being trans could be a fetish, it just further feels like an invalidation of my female identity. This is primarily why I am depressed around this whole gender issue, because not only was I not born a female, but when my mind makes every effort to correct that, people (not you but on other sites I've read) say that its just a sick fetish or that HRT is somehow a mutilation, when infact it could be at times life saving. 
So I want to make the point that gender dysphoria is a real thing and because i don't have access to HRT, I am using feminization hypnosis as the next best option, at the very least to suppress the painful feelings of looking in the mirror each day and seeing the wrong body. Hope you understand my perspective😔

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]do you identify as transgender?

We had a couple of hot discussions with @princesitanatty about classifications (e.g. in this thread: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showth...p?tid=2189). In short, all classifications "contain" generalizations and simplifications, hence inherently wrong, however, science cannot exist without classifications. Classifications change with time and with new knowledge.

Next. If someone has identified him- or herself (what is aeady wrong, because a system cannot be classified properly from within the system) as ABC, there is a tendency to adapt own behaviour to the stereotypical behaviour of type ABC. What in turn might make the things much worse, than they were before.

Saying that, the closest definition I could find for myself is "autogynephilia" (whatever it currently means). And I would like to have the ability to look like a pretty femboi, a pretty teenage girl, a pretty sporty 18-20yo girl, a pretty sporty athletic 28yo man depending on the mood or circumstances.

Girls, femininity, female clothing, makeup, cocks (not men!) are all fetishes of mine.

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]do you maybe think that some of your statements above could be interpreted in the wrong way?

Of course, they could. Like pretty much everything 😁

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]I read that being trans could be a fetish

Yes, it can be a fetish

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]it just further feels like an invalidation of my female identity.

How? Why? A logic link is completely missing here. But it perfectly corresponds to what I wrote about identifying yourself with something. This is the problem. We identify ourselves with something we are not. About "female identity" - have a look at this thread: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showth...p?tid=2915 I asked a question nobody could (dared?) to answer.

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]This is primarily why I am depressed around this whole gender issue, because not only was I not born a female, but when my mind makes every effort to correct that, people (not you but on other sites I've read) say that its just a sick fetish or that HRT is somehow a mutilation, when in fact it could be at times life saving. 

Yes, it could. Or it could ruin the life. And this is something you have to understand, nobody else can do it for you.

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]I want to make the point that gender dysphoria is a real thing

Absolutely, no doubts here. And I experienced it "in full" (it's documented somewhere here).

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]because i don't have access to HRT

Probably, it's even a good thing. See my posts above - I'm very sceptic about HRT.

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]I am using feminization hypnosis

... to increase your gender dysphoria and/or to indulge in your fantasies ... Mental masturbation 😊

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]to suppress the painful feelings of looking in the mirror each day and seeing the wrong body. Hope you understand my perspective😔

Okay. This is my perspective: i said it many times here, that aesthetics is the most important point for me. I've seen enough of transgenders, who do not look like women even remotely, what eliminates the whole TG path for me, even if I had a chronic gender dysphoria. I even stopped with crossdressing, because currently I think, that I look ridiculous in female clothing, and I do not live alone (fortunately). I want to look like "that heavily tuned and photoshopped teenage model from Instagram on that particular photo." Otherwise I would have

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]to suppress the painful feelings of looking in the mirror each day

And "that heavily tuned and photoshopped teenage model from Instagram on that particular photo" does not exist in real life. In real life she looks different.

See my point?

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]I want to make the point that gender dysphoria is a real thing

I think I understand why you're stating this as a point. Because of this?

(09 Nov 2020, 04:53 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]- Gender is a social (mostly) and psychological construct, that does not have any physical properties/traits

Yep, gender dysphoria is completely "between the ears" (in the western science sense of the world, I do not have any insights on how it might look from the "mystic point of view"). In any case it's not material, not physical. However, it might produce somatic effects (just like any psychological issues), which are absolutely measurable.

(09 Nov 2020, 18:08 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]

(09 Nov 2020, 16:15 )female123 Wrote: [ -> ]I want to make the point that gender dysphoria is a real thing

I think I understand why you're stating this as a point. Because of this?

(09 Nov 2020, 04:53 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]- Gender is a social (mostly) and psychological construct, that does not have any physical properties/traits

Yep, gender dysphoria is completely "between the ears" (in the western science sense of the world, I do not have any insights on how it might look from the "mystic point of view").  In any case it's not material, not physical. However, it might produce somatic effects (just like any psychological issues), which are absolutely measurable.

I understand your perspective and logical analysis, but Like Ra some things in life cannot be subject to rational scientific scrutiny. Subjective experience of identity is one of those things. You have said yourself before that we cannot ever know what the conscious is. Its like me asking  you to give  me a full comprehensive published study of what it means to be you. You can never do that nor could your descriptions ever make me experience your unique identity. But just because "you" can't be conviently encapsulated into a scientific paper doesn't mean you don't exist. Likewise i can never explain to you or anyone else what it feels like to have genuine trans feelings and identity  that go beyond autogynephilia or a fetish. The closest i can get is the term gender dysphoria.  But most people (99.9%) have no conflict with their sex or gender and cannot fathom gender dysphoria (including those western scientists) which is why there  is so much hate, ambiguity and false assertions regarding this "condition". They just feel normal, like themselves and draw on the argument that gender identity is all social engineering. But believe you me, unless they are genderfluid, if they were to wake up some day in the wrong body and be treated as the opposite sex, their attitude towards gender dysphoria and gender issues would shift like night and day.

So I don't want to go any deeper with this sensitive topic, especially on a "naughty" forum, but i do want to ask one final question and that is, do you at least acknowledge that there are people who are transgender and not just people who use feminization solely as a fetish?