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It’s WAR.... God I hope not.
#11
As you're probably aeady heard, the Russian invasion has not gone very well so far.  They're doing really idiotic things. 

Like sending dense columns of mixed armor and thin-skinned vehicles down unsecured Ukrainian roads, without any escorting infantry, air cover, or mobile AA protection.  You just do not do things like this, ever.  This is Combined Arms 101 (For Dummies).  I could spend the next half hour quoting examples going all the way back to 1941, and everybody who graduates from an officer training school ought to know them all by heart.

That's cost them a shit-ton of AFVs.  Both to direct UAV attacks, and to things as ludicrous as a bunch of (presumed) civvies in an ordinary car driving past Russian AFVs and tossing molotov cocktails aboard in passing.

And lots of tanks and other AFVs left sitting around, abandoned, in more or less working order.

And some idiot (or succession of idiots) simply left a copy of their overall strategic objectives with a front-line battalion, where it got captured and gleefully publicized by the Ukrainians.

There's lots more like that.  And it's all insanely egregiously mind-bogglingly bad.

All of this really culpable stupidity doesn't necessarily mean Putin is going to lose the war.  Don't I wish.

October through December of the 1939-1940 Winter War between the USSR and Finland played out like this.  Google "Suomussalmi".  Or "Raate Road".

Until January, when Stalin took the prosecution of that war out of the hands of the Leningrad Military District and handed it to Semyon Timoshenko.  You've probably heard of the guy who served as his chief of staff too: Georgi Zhukov.  Then the Russians got serious.  They went up the Karelian Isthmus, "straight up the middle", powered their way through the Mannerheim line (at an enormous blood price, but Timoshenko had told Stalin that's what it'd take and Stalin gave him carte blanche), and wrapped the war up by the end of March.

So Putin could still win this one.  But it isn't going to come cheap for anybody involved.
#12
(04 Mar 2022, 11:57 )Vixien Wrote: Lavrov said to some local politician:  "I remind you about your deal with Putin".
Russians deliberately misinterpret the agreement between Gorbachev and Kohl - in the united Germany there should not be missiles in the Eastern part (my loose interpretation). Now Putin extrapolates it to all other countries and adds "no NATO membership as agreed". There were no agreements about NATO memberships. He lies, as always. E.g. the Baltic countries are in NATO, while, for example, Finland is not. Russia was also offered a membership in NATO, BTW.
#13
We are member of NATO since 2009.
We want to join because of agression on my country 1991.

Слава Україні

"We who have seen war, will never stop seeing it. In the silence of the night, we will always hear the screams. So this is our story, for we were soldiers once, and young."

Joe Galloway


#14
I've actually been to war, and it's scary AF for soldiers, even moreso for innocent civilians. And I fear that Vlad will go further. He will find or fabricate an excuse.
#15
(04 Mar 2022, 17:51 )vanessa_fetish Wrote: I've actually been to war, and it's scary AF for soldiers, even moreso for innocent civilians. And I fear that Vlad will go further. He will find or fabricate an excuse.

I think Vlad's options are running out.  If in fact they haven't run out aeady.

Right at the moment, if what I've read is correct, the Ukrainians have more air assets in the air over Ukraine than Russia does.

And absolutely everything I've seen about the prosecution of that war on the Russian side reads like a description of shambolic chaos.

Personally, I wondered how practical this was all going to be, when I heard about the size of the force he was fielding.

200,000 troops sounds like a lot.  But that's only about half again as many as the US fielded in Iraq, and look what sort of "famous victory" that turned out to be.  Lol

After what's happened in the last week and a half, if I were in Vlad's shoes, I'd be trying to think of ways to extricate myself from that beartrap without losing face.  Right now, he's in the position of a man who's stuck his schlong in a meatgrinder with his enemy turning the crank.

At minimum, he needs to sack god only knows how many senior commanders, because this is looking awfully similar to December 1939 to me. Absent the extreme numerical and equipment disadvantage the Finns labored under.  The people he's got running the war for him right now strike me as complete incompetents.  If that guess is on target, he bloody well has to change out them out or he's liable to lose the freaking war.
#16
(04 Mar 2022, 13:12 )Penguin Wrote: Like sending dense columns of mixed armor and thin-skinned vehicles down unsecured Ukrainian roads, without any escorting infantry, air cover, or mobile AA protection.
Without food and fuel.

(04 Mar 2022, 13:12 )Penguin Wrote: lots of tanks and other AFVs left sitting around, abandoned
Because there is neither food, nor fuel.

(04 Mar 2022, 13:12 )Penguin Wrote: Georgi Zhukov.
Who sacrificed millions of Soviet people for pretty much nothing.

(04 Mar 2022, 13:12 )Penguin Wrote: They're doing really idiotic things.
(04 Mar 2022, 13:12 )Penguin Wrote: everybody who graduates from an officer training school ought to know them all by heart.
(04 Mar 2022, 13:12 )Penguin Wrote: And some idiot (or succession of idiots)
That's the result of total mediocracy, impunity and mandatory selection of idiots (because idiots can be manipulated much easier)

(04 Mar 2022, 13:12 )Penguin Wrote: Einter War between the USSR and Finland
Just got this recommendation on a completely unrelated site:

Finnish winter war song- Njet Molotoff! Lyrics in english.


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl2_0OCwNbg
#17
(04 Mar 2022, 18:55 )Penguin Wrote: ways to extricate myself from that beartrap without losing face
Not possible without further escalation, I'm afraid... Another solution would be a sudden stroke ...

BTW, non-official news about the war might cost 15 years now in RU.
Also, RU begins to collect personal data including political views and sexual preferences.
#18
It seem we can give the Ukranians small arms. Tactical drones and their associated subsidary explosions could wreck those columns in a few hours. With minimal loss of life.
#19
(04 Mar 2022, 20:50 )Culmor Wrote: Tactical drones
AFAIK, they had some from Turkey. RU claims, that they shot them down, but no information is verified by any 3d party yet.
#20
@Culmor gave me one idea: "The limpness could have caused the war."

And someone who thanked my hypnofeminization post gave me one solution: "Mandatory feminization will save the world" 😆

Bambi for president! 😂


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