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06 May 2021, 00:11
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Why is public nudity prohibited?
Answering to this question should theoretically help answering questions like:"Is it normal to wear xxx? Is it OK if I YYY?".
Is there anything in the Bible, Quran, Tora, Testimonies, the Tables of the Law, scrolls, stones, annals, constitutions?
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Most people, females especially, can’t stand seeing people nude in public.
Not sure why, maybe because others, like me, are prettier than they are?
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06 May 2021, 04:10
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(06 May 2021, 00:11 )Like Ra Wrote: Why is public nudity prohibited?
Because it boils down to majority collective entitlement.
Take a substantial sample size group and you will have an X amount of people who will feel offended and sexually confronted and/or threatened by public nudity.
It's a psychological effect of ambiguity.
Regardless of the behaviour of a nude person in public, it's the interpretation and perception of ambiguity at the root of labeling this nude person as neutral or as a threat.
In most cases the perception will be inclined to interpret the sole factor of nudity as "If you are not clearly for me (my safety) then you must probably be against me." (as a predatory threat). This interpretation is not unlikely in the case of say, a 16 year old girl, passing through the park after class hours.
Now it happens to be that these social constructs have protective structures in place such as patriarchy etc. ( the entitled fathers and caretakers who've sworn to protect their wives and daughters from whomever they identify as "predators")
In the end, those groups form large majority clusters - and those majority clusters voted to institute such rules.
Fastforward to modern times ; For example, just google 'meggings, mens leggings, MAMIL and bulges' and you will likely find the word "predatory" mentioned in the respective articles in the same breath.
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(06 May 2021, 04:10 )MIWSTIUS Wrote: In most cases the perception will be inclined to interpret the sole factor of nudity as "If you are not clearly for me (my safety) then you must probably be against me." (as a predatory threat). Aren't we supposed to have no natural predators anymore? It amazes me how deep our instincts go, our brains are in a feedback loop so they 'need' to fill that predator space in our brains with something... if there are no real predators, then we will fill that space with whatever crosses our fears first. Crazy.
(06 May 2021, 04:10 )MIWSTIUS Wrote: In the end, those groups form large majority clusters - and those majority clusters voted to institute such rules. It's pretty difficult to define objectively what is best, isn't it? What if we are all wrong, and we see good as bad, and bad as good... or is the majority right? well, I guess history has the answer to that. Maybe we are heading towards self destruction and we don't even know it.
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Quote:Is there anything in the Bible...
Well, there's the passage in Genesis 3 about Adam and Eve (having eaten the forbidden fruit) realising they were naked, being ashamed and making themselves aprons out of fig leaves. I imagine that's common to all the Abrahamic religions.
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06 May 2021, 20:49
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(06 May 2021, 20:44 )RedEmeraldKitsune Wrote: It amazes me how deep our instincts go According to most ethologists and the definition of instincts, humans do not have instincts at all. According to other ethologists, humans lose all instincts (even if they exist) during the initial learning and socialization. Instincts must not be confused with reflexes and conditionings.
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(06 May 2021, 20:49 )Culmor Wrote: Well, there's the passage in Genesis 3 about Adam and Eve (having eaten the forbidden fruit) realising they were naked, being ashamed and making themselves aprons out of fig leaves. Yep, that's it!
(06 May 2021, 20:49 )Culmor Wrote: I imagine that's common to all the Abrahamic religions. Yes, this is my understanding as well.
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06 May 2021, 21:03
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(06 May 2021, 20:51 )Like Ra Wrote: (06 May 2021, 20:49 )Culmor Wrote: Well, there's the passage in Genesis 3 about Adam and Eve (having eaten the forbidden fruit) realising they were naked, being ashamed and making themselves aprons out of fig leaves. Yep, that's it!
(06 May 2021, 20:49 )Culmor Wrote: I imagine that's common to all the Abrahamic religions. Yes, this is my understanding as well.
I have a feeling that at some point there's a reference to wearing animal skins being approved of by YHVH but I'd have to research it. Certainly Deuteronomy has a host of random commandments about things such as being required to have blue tassels on the four corners of your robe, and crossdressing is definitely a no-no.
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06 May 2021, 22:02
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I wrote (with apologies for quoting myself)
Quote:I have a feeling that at some point there's a reference to wearing animal skins being approved of by YHVH
I'm an eejit, it's in the same chapter!
Quote:3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
I also wrote (again with apologies)
Quote:...crossdressing is definitely a no-no.
In support of that:
Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God.
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06 May 2021, 22:29
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(06 May 2021, 20:49 )Culmor Wrote: I imagine that's common to all the Abrahamic religions. AFAIK nothing like that exists in Dharmic religions.
O!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nudity_in_religion
Apparently, it's the Abrahamic inheritance indeed.
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