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07 May 2021, 06:39
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(07 May 2021, 02:54 )Strappado Wrote: The funny thing is, that many countries don't have laws against nudity. Laws are more concerned about the sexually explicit display of the body, in reality as well as in pictures. This is also the easiest way to keep nudist beaches and similar places legal (or even art exhibitions and museums). Of course, it is quite difficult to define "sexually explicit". Therefore, in those countries without legal nudity ban, it usually depends on how the public percieves you, when you are nude. Well, try to define the difference between eroticism and porn.
(07 May 2021, 00:17 )MIWSTIUS Wrote: Meaning, to identify the ones who intend to take something from you unrightfully (sexual gratification without consent) - and therefore, opposing your safety and taking away your right of choice to deny intimacy (the "not for me, but against me" part).
I think, that is not really the problem. there are many laws everywhere in the world against sexual harassment, abuse and much more. And they don't need nudity for guilt.
Existing laws against nudity are probably based mostly on public perception (and in some cases on the perception of other countries, when nudity was normal until some powerful visitors also brought their missionaries).
The real problem is (once more, happens so often), that people extrapolate new ideas from old ideas that they haven't understood, while others profit from exploiting this. It is human nature to be brain-lazy. It is actually necessary if you want to master everyday's life. If you question everything, your day starts with how to get out of bed the best way. Of course, there are many occasions, where the brain ought to be used under any circumstances. It is a balance between simplicity and adventure most of the time.
Well, those were pretty raw thoughts. I think, centuries have turned nudity into a very complex subject, and church is one party to blame. However, today nudity is not considered normal in most parts of the world, and commen sense seemingly dictates, that you better be normal - and that is probably true since humans can think. But when computers think, it gets even worse: Remember the art pictures banned from Facebook for nudity (I had to mention this) 😉.
But that's what I mean, the lone woman in the park (who happens to be in an emotionally upset state the moment she passes through said park) is likely to assume (the brain lazy part) and interpret the mere visibility of the jogger's bulging leggings/tights as predatory signaling because he might have just finished up his jogging rounds standing against a tree heavily breathing, with a somewhat awkward gaze on his unshaven face. Yes i know i am probably reaching and stretching with the example scenario but it is not unlikely and in such a case she might actually call security on him.
Again, the factual level of exposure or action is often misread, misinterpreted and blown out of proportions. However, if the jogger in the example was nude, in risky bulging shiny leggings or in play-it-safe baggy cotton jogger pants, only the latter would be his best chance at avoiding a big misunderstanding.
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No joke I just got recommended this on YT, sometimes I get some serious goosebumps when I think about my online security.
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Just a couple of observations this time.
RedEmeraldKitsune wrote:
Quote:Funny how the same source has been translated differently... I was taught this one:
"A woman must not wear men’s clothing, nor a man wear women’s clothing, for the Lord your God detests anyone who does this."
Retconning wasn't invented by the comics 😉 I was brought up with the King James 1511 bible, it's a horrible translation and there have been many better since but I feel they all lack the poetry.
Quote:...a small group of people tried to advance from the stone age up to the present, and even with the proper knowledge it was impossible for them to go past the bronze age because of all the meticulous procedures needed to purify metals. I guess given some time, we could rebuild what we have faster than before, but even then it's going to be tough.
It would be difficult to even get to the Bronze Age in practice as the earth's surface deposits of tin and copper are long exhausted.
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(07 May 2021, 07:58 )Culmor Wrote: Retconning wasn't invented by the comics I was brought up with the King James 1511 bible, it's a horrible translation and there have been many better since but I feel they all lack the poetry.
I know I've said it a eady, but that passage has always bugged me... it's so oddly specific. Like, you would think crossdressing is a new thing because of all of the commodities and comfort we have in the modern day, I don't even mention today's possibility to control your body on a micro level with hormones, but this passage clearly shows that crossdressing is a common topic for discussion when talking about clothing.
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(06 May 2021, 00:11 )Like Ra Wrote: Why is public nudity prohibited?
Fun Fact: in Germany it is´t prohibited.
There are a few nude joggers in a few cities here and lying in the sun without a bra is not a crime.
But there are many prejudices about men and women who show themselves naked.
It is not really forbidden, but more a taboo.
Like it is to talk about depression, impaired potency or menstruation.
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(10 May 2021, 18:57 )N3r1x Wrote: Fun Fact: in Germany it isn't prohibited.
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It is not really forbidden, but more a taboo.
Interesting! And nothing about obscene clothes or something? I bet there should be a wiki page on that...
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_..._practised fascinating! So many places where nudity is tolerated.
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I'd wager it's fairly hard to forget instinct as if you look at most animals when the are weakened or defenseless they tend to be very paranoid and reclusive in behaviour (ie molted animals, mammals hiding in boxes and burrows etc). Living creatures can and will adapt to whatever they feel is best though as humans can generally do things that are extremely unnatural (high rises, fireworks, fire, doctors, dentists) without problems.
Speaking from experience it seems to only appear in at a certain age, for a long time me and my friends (differing genders) were perfectly fine playing in the bath together naked with no qualms at all. The only incentive to remain clothed was my parents asking me too and that it was cold. Only until becoming a teen did that suddenly seem funky and really only because of sex ed. I suspect it is mostly just societal expectations honestly and the fact it is taboo similar to wearing a latex suit outdoors but without the anonymity.
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