General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread

[Hazel]

Since I like women and do not like men

For me its more complicated. Sissy hypnos opened me up to liking being with a man. Although in real life almost all men are a turn off. So I am basically exclusively attracted to women although that changes if I imagine myself in the female form (as I should be). Then it feels more natural to be with a guy because I wouldn't really want to be with a woman. Basically the reason I sometimes conflate my gender and sexuality is because I might be a lesbian in denial. I just cannot reconcile being a woman and being with a woman because my mind would just want to be friends with her or envy her beauty. There would just be no spark of attraction because she would be just like me. I've read somewhere that gay people and straight people always have the same orientation despite the gender they identify as. For example, I read that a formerly gay man transitioned to become female and then came out as a lesbian despite having no prior attraction to women. So I guess I will always be drawn to heterosexual attraction and relationships. But I think if I were to ever have the ability to transition in real life, things would get sorted out or I would be at peace with whoever I am attracted to then because I would no longer have conflicting gender identity feelings.

[Hazel]

For one thing I have bigger feet (size 12 US) and I am tall (194 cm).

Swimmers are supposed to have big feet, aren't they? Heard of Yulia Efimova (a famous Russian swimmer - https://www.likera.com/blog/wp/archives/706)? She has rather big feet for her height, but it does not hurt her appearance 😊

Well she still fits into an average female weight and height category. And I am sure she doesn't have a masculine voice. But anyways, I always imagined myself as a being short, delicate and feminine. I guess you can say that these incongruencies are one source of my gender dysphoria feelings. 😟

And as someone who competes in high level swimming, you cannot even begin to understand how envious I was to watch female athletes from the sidelines while I was stuck with racing the guys.

[Hazel]

For one thing I have bigger feet (size 12 US) and I am tall (194 cm).

One more thing is that I really love high heels, but can you imagine if I were to wear them being aeady as tall as I am? In my mind it wouldn't be feminine or even attractive, it would an embarrassing joke! Although I am grateful that I can fit into smaller size female clothing, one thing that really saddens me, especially when I walk through the female shoe aisle in stores, is that i will never be able to fit into or experience all the fashionable shoes & styles that regular women get to wear😞

[essanym]

One more thing is that I really love high heels, but can you imagine if I were to wear them being aeady as tall as I am? In my mind it wouldn't be feminine or even attractive, it would an embarrassing joke!

I've mentioned that I'm 185cm tall before. Also, I've definitely gone out wearing heels as well. Did I think I was an embarrassing joke? No. Do you think that I was embarrassing myself? I have my reasons for not continuing transition but it's not to do with my height. I was certainly very aware of my height, especially when I was out wearing heels, but I never felt ashamed of it. In general, I got a lot of great compliments / feedback... and that was in Alabama, of all places. Also, wearing heels makes your feet look smaller than wearing flats. You may not be able to wear all the cute styles you see in stores, but there are still tons of great shoes you can find online, I know because I wear the same size as you and I have some great shoes.

[Hazel]

One more thing is that I really love high heels, but can you imagine if I were to wear them being aeady as tall as I am? In my mind it wouldn't be feminine or even attractive, it would an embarrassing joke!

I've mentioned that I'm 185cm tall before.  Also, I've definitely gone out wearing heels as well.  Did I think I was an embarrassing joke?  No.  Do you think that I was embarrassing myself?  I have my reasons for not continuing transition but it's not to do with my height.  I was certainly very aware of my height, especially when I was out wearing heels, but I never felt ashamed of it.  In general, I got a lot of great compliments / feedback... and that was in Alabama, of all places.  Also, wearing heels makes your feet look smaller than wearing flats.  You may not be able to wear all the cute styles you see in stores, but there are still tons of great shoes you can find online, I know because I wear the same size as you and I have some great shoes.

Ok, but 185 cm is not the same as being 194cm.
Also according to this chart I would have to look into custom size shoes because not many stores sell giant female size shoes:


You know I just want to be a normal girl, and that's what really exacerbates my dysphoria the most is that I will never be who I see myself as in my mind.

[Like Ra]

Google it

My question was to you - how do YOU define it, not Google 😊

[Like Ra]

I don't get the second part of your question.

Actually, you did not get both 😁

On the other hand, it is You who are telling me who I am or should be.

This is interesting, did you notice that most of the time I ask you questions and tell about my own experience and feelings? Yet for some reason you think, that I'm telling you who you are, when I have no idea who I am! 😁

I think I'm doing a good job here, however you do not understand it yet, unless you properly reread our conversation 😊

[Like Ra]

Let's go one by one:

We disagree on the fact that trans people exist

How can we disagree on a fact? Trans people do exist, this is a fact 😁

AND are legitimate

oh yes they are, they even have new documents from the governments. So, if we agree that we can trust our governments, and the governments are legitimate, then the trans people are legitimate.

in who they say they are

this can be confirmed by the document, see above

Transwomen = women

Sorry, this is logically and mathematically wrong:

If transwoman = woman => woman = transwoman. Is you mother a transwoman? Neither is mine, hence the statement woman = transwoman is wrong, hence the original statement transwoman = woman is also wrong.

If you have definitions X and transX, either transX is redundant, and only X can be used, or transX is something different from X, hence you can not use the equal sign between them.

This is also semantically wrong: the statement "transwoman = woman" is as valid as transparent = parent, translucent = lucent, transgender = gender, transistor = sistor

And biologically wrong. Unless a person, whom you define as a transwoman, is what currently defined as intersex, then that person will be defined by medical specialists as a biological man even by the skeleton.

we seem to disagree on the topic of whether you think I am really a transwoman myself.

This statement makes no sense. I have no idea who you are (and i said it multiple times here, hence my questions you do not answer), and you have no idea who you are (because you keep asking this question). How can we disagree on something, that was never stated or defined by any of the parties? 😁

[Like Ra]

No, I meant your very direct response to when I asked if you identify as trans yourself:

OK, if my answer above does not answer this question, then the most suitable and correct direct answer will be "No". As always for many reasons, including the definition - I'm a CIS man, and I can't be physically identified as anybody else.

Yes, that was a short answer. Hence, I offered a more detailed answer, but you said, that you do not need it, but apparently misread both answers 😊

Yes, CIS man is the simplest answer, because if we get into more details (e.g my second response) it will become very complicated with added terms like semi-gender-fluid with seasonal changes, etc. 😁

[Like Ra]

I don't think you will really understand if you are a (cis) guy.

Of course not! A CIS guy can never understand another CIS guy!

It's not really polite after I repeatedly asked you not to refer to me as a cis guy, to continue calling me a cis guy...just because I do not have a female body or can't transition. That's what I hate about myself and also that society sees and treats people as who they are on the outside rather than who they really are on the inside. If a woman on this forum replies to you, you would probably never even think to reply back with him, he or guy because that would be rude, disrespectful and plain wrong.

Where did I refer to you in this sentence? 😁 I did not mean you AT ALL! . And I did not mean myself in this phrase 😁 It was a simple egocentric trap you fell in!!! For some reasons, you take personally everything what is written here - you think that everybody is talking about you, and all I write is only about you, and I'm like a strict parent deny your point of view and object to anything you come up with, so you keep arguing, however you are arguing with yourself! You are fighting with your own desires, wishes, ideals, intentions, you are in a constant internal dialogue, "internal discord", internal dispute, what is fully understandable and normal. However it's always amazing to watch. The most spectacular discussion was between me and @gunz in this thread, which ended up very funny and ridiculous at the same time: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...3#pid40473


Anyway, follow the logic:

-it's not possible for one person to understand another (yes, they can discuss something, they can agree on something, but they will never understand each other, e.g. what the real intentions are, what was actually meant or desired, etc) - I said it here many times, also in conversations with you
- a CIS guy is a person
- hence A CIS guy can never understand another CIS guy

This is a pure mathematical logic, no argumentum ad hominem 😊 Rather a mathematical joke based on the added pun - your mentioning that a CIS guy will definitely not understand 😁