Femininity

[Like Ra]

How, you think manspreading (which you identified as masculine gesture) is a positive and desirable way to sit?

Ask women, not me 😁 I'm about femininity 😉

[princesitanatty]

A problem with the graphic is that it doesn't represent gradual differences. Manspreading is more typical of men, but some men don't do it, and some women do it, so it should be located in the intersection of "shared traits" in this graphic. Perhaps we might use other strategy of representation that allows us to represent male-typical traits, female-typical traits, and sex-unrelated traits in each circle.

[Like Ra]

Manspreading is more typical of men, but some men don't do it, and some women do it,

In "my mind" it belongs to the non-aesthetic zone, so I don't care how gradient that zone is 😊

[princesitanatty]

Manspreading is more typical of men, but some men don't do it, and some women do it,

In "my mind" it belongs to the non-aesthetic zone, so I don't care how gradient that zone is 😊

I don't know what you mean by "non-aesthetic zone", but I guess my argument also applies to aesthetically-valued traits. Perhaps if you explain your distinction and give some examples, we can explore the point. An example: some men have female-typical facial traits, that are aesthetically valued by other people.

[Like Ra]

I don't know what you mean by "non-aesthetic zone"

I think, that "manspreading" is not aesthetic.

erhaps if you explain your distinction and give some examples

"Manspreading" is a good example. Another one is body hair. I find body hair filthy. But there are others who might have a body hair fetish.

aesthetically valued by other people.

The idea behind this diagram is to bring physical, anatomical, personal and social-expectational criteria together.

some men have female-typical facial traits

Note that you called them female-typical. That's the answer to your question.

[Like Ra]

Aren't manspreading and body hair on the edge of the "social tolerance"? An example of "over the tolerance limit" would be body odour. Some people claim, that they can distinguish male and female odours, so it's valid for both, yet you can hear a "testosterone odour" expression, and never an "oestrogen odour" one 😁

[princesitanatty]

I don't understand your answer when you say that "calling them female-typical is the answer to my question". Your graphic (if I understand it correctly) does not represent the distinction between male-typical, female-typical, and sex-unrelated traits. It represents shared and non-shared traits between men and women, which is not the same. Where in your graphic would you put a sex-atypical trait, for example when a man has a female-typical trait?

[Like Ra]

I don't understand your answer when you say that "calling them female-typical is the answer to my question".

I meant that if it's "female-typical", it belongs to the "right-hand side" of the picture.

[princesitanatty]

I don't understand your answer when you say that "calling them female-typical is the answer to my question".

I meant that if it's "female-typical", it belongs to the "right-hand side" of the picture.

Then the circles do not represent the biological sexes, and my interpretation was not correct, so I don't understand how the graphic should be interpreted.

[Like Ra]

Then the circles do not represent the biological sexes,

They do, why not? Typical feminine on the right, typical masculine on the left. If it's not typical and shared - in the middle.