Femininity

[Like Ra]

I think Likera is trying to make a sum-up of your position which is quite a challenge with all our discussion/divergence/...

I'm literally drawing a picture 😊 And that makes me think more...

[princesitanatty]

I think Likera is trying to make a sum-up of your position which is quite a challenge with all our discussion/divergence/...

I'm literally drawing a picture 😊 And that makes me think more...

See this text, it's very interesting: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychol...ches%3famp

[Like Ra]

Was experimenting with various editors. Ended up with LibreOffice Drawing + Gimp:

   

The idea behind this diagram is to bring physical, anatomical, personal and social-expectational criteria together. What do you think?

[Like Ra]

Another iteration.

   

[no smile]

Well, that's a start but what do you state in men and women?  Sex or Gender?

[Like Ra]

Sex or Gender?

Yes

😁

[princesitanatty]

I don't understand the graphic, could you explain it?
I guess the circles are defined by biological sex, and the intersection of the circles includes the traits shared by men and women. But most traits can be present both in men or women, with different probabilities. So most traits will be located in the intersection. Is this the correct interpretation?

[Like Ra]

Sex or Gender?

Funny, I think even 5 years ago this question would not arise. And now I expected this question, and it took me quite a while to think about the answer 😁

I would say - sex first. Gender is secondary, because this concept appears much later in the physical body and it's mostly a social thing.

[Like Ra]

I don't understand the graphic

To be honest, I don't quite understand it either, and I don't think this is the last version.

I guess the circles are defined by biological sex

Yes

the intersection of the circles includes the traits shared by men and women.

Yes. Like two legs, two arms, one nose, etc.

Is this the correct interpretation?

Yes.

I'm not sure how to properly define the rest. For example, he society expectation plays important role here, think of long necks, drilled teeth, extreme fatness in some African tribes or corsets in the Victorian era. That's what I called "Socially approved". But at the same time it must be aesthetically pleasant for the particular person. In some cases it corresponds to what's socially approved. What is not approved (but still desirable by that individual) might be considered a "forbidden fruit", "filthy/asocial behaviour", or something what "must not be shown". In my mind, "femininity/masculinity", should always be associated (consciously or subconsciously) with something positive, desirable and approved by the society. In other words, it's pretty and not something to be ashamed of.

[no smile]

How, you think manspreading (which you identified as masculine gesture) is a positive and desirable way to sit?