Great, now with that edit my last post looks as if I was calling them names... Well I didn't.
(06 Apr 2022, 03:04 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ] (06 Apr 2022, 02:14 )d7i Wrote: [ -> ]I see a repeating pattern here:
See this post:
https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...6#pid59086
(06 Apr 2022, 02:36 )shinybambi Wrote: [ -> ]I also wanted to prove that you'll dismiss any info that doesn't fit your world view and narrative dictated by one sided western media and you just did it.
This is neither tricky, nor interesting. What IS interesting, and what IS tricky, is to make your discussion partner at least listen to your point of view, consider it, and respect it. Even if there is no consensus yet.
Can we try this approach?
Neither tricky, nor interesting, but a good demonstration why discussion is impossible if it's not one-sided pro-ukraine.
(06 Apr 2022, 02:36 )shinybambi Wrote: [ -> ]Least thing I expect from people who hated Russians even before conflict is compassion. I just want you to admit that both sides commit horrible war crimes and flood infosphere with lies perpetuating hatred.
I also wanted to prove that you'll dismiss any info that doesn't fit your world view and narrative dictated by one sided western media and you just did it. That is all I wanted.
I can't admin that neither "both sides commit horrible war crimes" nor "flood infosphere with lies".
First of all mistreating POW, especially by a defending side, is incomparable by few orders of magnitude to any violence against civilians and could be easily avoided by Russian troops by not attacking Ukraine in the first place.
Regarding flooding with lies, so far we have examples only from Russian side:
https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...3#pid59393 but I am still waiting for similar example for Ukrainian side.
Where exactly I have dismissed any information that didn't fit my world? Could you provide an example - probably quoting myself?
(06 Apr 2022, 03:35 )shinybambi Wrote: [ -> ]Great, now with that edit my last post looks as if I was calling them names... Well I didn't.
Yes, you did not, I confirm. But we are "on thin ice" here, so extra cautions should be applied.
(06 Apr 2022, 03:35 )shinybambi Wrote: [ -> ]discussion is impossible if it's not one-sided pro-ukraine.
Totally agree, but how is this pro-Ukraine:
(05 Apr 2022, 13:44 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]As for the origins of the conflict, it's more complicated, and none of the parties is innocent.
(21 Mar 2022, 21:55 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]UA is absolutely NOT INNOCENT
(15 Mar 2022, 15:55 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]Russian must become the 2nd official language in UA. 95% of Kharkiv/Charkov, 80% of Crimea/Krym, 52% of Kyiv/Kiev, one third of the whole population of UA call Russian a primary language, Russian is de facto lingua franca, the mother language of Zelensky is Russian. It should've done AGES ago, as both the actual fact, and something that would've decreased the conflict reasons significantly. Even the pro-Russian UA government did not do that! It's a HUGE mistake! I would even call it a crime!
And, yes, both parties commit war crimes. However:
(06 Apr 2022, 08:41 )d7i Wrote: [ -> ]could be easily avoided by Russian troops by not attacking Ukraine in the first place.
And this is my point exactly.
(06 Apr 2022, 09:11 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]And, yes, both parties commit war crimes.
But the reaction to evidences is different. See this post:
https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...3#pid59393 :
(05 Apr 2022, 03:16 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]Video 1: UA soldiers shot RU prisoners of war in legs, etc.
UA reaction: It's a war crime and must be investigated!
(05 Apr 2022, 03:16 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]Video 2: Dead civilians, dead semi burned naked raped women on streets, etc
RU reaction 1: It's all fake! It's all staged by Ukrainians! The corpses were moving!
RU reaction 2: UA killed them after we left Bucha!
RU reaction 3: UA shelled Bucha while we were there and killed hundreds of innocent people. When we left, then took the corpses and dropped them on the streets.
Oh, I absolutely agree that if Russia knew like it claimed that Ukraine was about to attack, they should've let them do it and only then "retaliate".
Video ##: Ukrainian rocket hits Donetsk, 21 civilian dead
EU/UA: [url=https://mobile.
Source: twitter.com/Kornilov1968/status/1504113105156009995
]didn't happen, what you see is a horrible result of Russian attack on Kyiv. [/url]
(06 Apr 2022, 10:44 )shinybambi Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, I absolutely agree that if Russia knew like it claimed that Ukraine was about to attack, they should've let them do it and only then "retaliate".
Video ##: Ukrainian rocket hits Donetsk, 21 civilian dead
EU/UA: [url=https://mobile.
Source: twitter.com/Kornilov1968/status/1504113105156009995
]didn't happen, what you see is a horrible result of Russian attack on Kyiv. [/url]
If Russia would have a glass ball and could see future actions of Ukraine military and make preemptive strikes, then they would probably do much better with their offensive in Ukraine. Apparently there are not doing as good as they expected, so it seems that they do not have glass ball and really should have waited for Ukrainians to attack first.
I do not know if this was Ukrainian rocket (according Russia claims) or Russian false flag operation (according to Ukraine claims), however it is you, who said that both sides are lying and so far we have proven here that just one side is caught lying en masse like with not killing civilians in Bucha, I would put my bet on...
And i also said that anything that doesn't align exactly with your narrative will be dismissed and you proved my point twice a
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(06 Apr 2022, 11:41 )d7i Wrote: [ -> ]If Russia would have a glass ball and could see future actions of Ukraine military and make preemptive strikes, then they would probably do much better with their offensive in Ukraine. Apparently there are not doing as good as they expected, so it seems that they do not have glass ball and really should have waited for Ukrainians to attack first.
Do you mean UA was going to attack RU? Or did I misinterpret what I wrote?