Phytoestrogens and magic herbs

On a related matter, how reliable is the PM capsules provided by PuraFem? Anyone have any experience or knowledge?
https://www.purafem.com/product/pueraria...a-capsules

I tried them. They good

I've received my PuraFem supply and started taking them Today. Interestingly the label specifies the dosage as 2 capsules twice a day, and the capsules are listed as 700mg. Doesn't sound like it lines up with the dosages discussed here. For now I'm taking 2 a day, will see if I up the dosage.

Being a larger guy (6"3, ~120kg) standard dosages of anything tend to be too low for my body. I'm listening to my body and am prepared to stop if I notice any significant negative side effects, but otherwise I'm not too worried about high dosage other than that it might dampen the effect of the phytoestrogens as it sounds like there is a sweet spot.

[Like Ra]

PuraFem supply

What's inside? Just Pueraria? Or PM with hops? Or with Aguaje or something?

I wonder why my PM is so effective. Possibly they put estradiol into it... 😅

PuraFem supply

What's inside? Just Pueraria? Or PM with hops? Or with Aguaje or something?

I wonder my PM is so effective. Possibly they put estradiol ino it... 😅

They claim it's PM root, rice flour and magnesium. And then on the other side the dosage indication is 2 twice a day.

Will see how I go. I suspect the other ones I was using before weren't good quality. Guess that's the risk with eBay.

I do wonder why you don't see PM in a well known supplier like Nature's Own. They have every other herbal supplement you can think of

On a related topic, I read an article Today about a Chinese man who started to grow breasts after leaning heavily into fitness and protein shakes due to a health scare. This part intrigued me:

"He went to the hospital for examination and was told that while his fatty liver had been cured, his breasts had now started to develop. "Both his female and male hormones were higher than normal," said a doctor at the local hospital.

"Among all the sex hormones, androgen tested the highest, which indicates that he might have taken excessive androgen-related medications. The androgen then turned into female sex hormones that eventually led to the development of his breasts," the doctor explained."

Based on this, as counter intuitive as it might sound... would it perhaps then be possible to shift toward estrogen imbalance by increasing androgen/testosterone levels while taking DHT blockers?

[Like Ra]

Two enzymes:
- aromatase converts testosterone to estrogen
- 5a-reductase converts testosterone to DHT

Hence:

- the more testosterone, the more estrogen (small balls/penis
- typical bodybuilders issue)
- the less DHT, the more estrogene (it's written in all instructions to finasteride/dutasteride - possible feminization)

I would experiment with this approach, but I feel like increasing testosterone without being absolutely sure about the efficacy of herbal DHT blockers might end up just flooding my system with testosterone.

And leave me with male pattern baldness, which I've been lucky to avoid so far.

[Like Ra]

the efficacy of herbal DHT blockers might end up just flooding my system with testosterone.

Yes, what leads to increased estrogen.

And leave me with male pattern baldness

No, because it's not caused by testosterone, but by dihydrotestosterone (DHT).

I meant more that I'd be worried that the DHT blockers are not that effective, thus just leading to increased DHT instead of increasing estrogen as intended