Phytoestrogens and magic herbs

does anyone remember that old "trap mode aesthetics" post that kept circulating 10 years ago?  phytoestrogens live in that same space - a sliver of truth that gets magnified into something it's not

anyone who wants reversible feminization should deeply examine the reasons behind this.  should you be seeking medically significant changes to your body if you're not willing to commit to them?

anyone who wants significant feminization should not waste their time on something that will have marginal, if any, real feminizing effects

[Like Ra]

phytoestrogens live in that same space - a sliver of truth that gets magnified into something it's not

What gave me boobs, then? Hypno? 😂

[Like Ra]

So, this is what I bought on Ali and have been using for two weeks aeady (all 3):

Super Beta Prostate https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_olG6ZpV
Vitamin D3, Zinc, Selenium, Saw Palmetto, Pumpkin Seed, Ginger Root, Stinging Nettle, Turmeric

Extreme Curve Maca https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_oEwAFv9
Organic Maca(Black,Red,Yellow Maca) Root Extract, Black Pepper Extract

Aguaje with Pueraria Mirifica https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_olyfmZD
Aguaje Extract,Dong Quai, Fenugreek, Pueraria mirifica,Papaya Leaf,Wild Yam,Shatavari,Soy

Need to add Reishi.

phytoestrogens live in that same space - a sliver of truth that gets magnified into something it's not

What gave me boobs, then? Hypno? 😂

please enlighten me, why do you prefer this route over bioidentical estrogen when the result you want (in this case, growing boobs) is caused by activating the estrogen receptors?  i can't see a way in which the selectivity or potency of PM or similar would be preferential

So, this is what I bought on Ali and have been using for two weeks aeady (all 3):

Super Beta Prostate https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_olG6ZpV
Vitamin D3, Zinc, Selenium, Saw Palmetto, Pumpkin Seed, Ginger Root, Stinging Nettle, Turmeric

Extreme Curve Maca https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_oEwAFv9
Organic Maca(Black,Red,Yellow Maca) Root Extract, Black Pepper Extract

Aguaje with Pueraria Mirifica  https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_olyfmZD
Aguaje Extract,Dong Quai, Fenugreek, Pueraria mirifica,Papaya Leaf,Wild Yam,Shatavari,Soy

Need to add Reishi.

Have you got some results? Side effects? Have you aeady PM boobs developed?

In my opinion the dosage is too high! I thought about adding to my protocol of PM and Maca also Saw Palemetto and Aguaje.

What do you thinking about it? Have you some suggested patch with those elements together?

Oh no, ChatGPT and his friends are only for do the dirty job. The real sources was this entire thread, the papers you posted and some friends' experiences.

I said "ChatGPT", because it generated a similar document to me. I asked it to make research on the supplements and hormones - will post it here. It's quite interesting.

For more collection of related information, these two forums (no idea what the difference is) have tons of info:
https://www.breastnexus.com/
https://breastnexum.com/

Edit: breastnexum is for biological males

Thank you, I believe that is the site I have been trying to find again.

If it is, there was/is a very good thread by someone who documented their experiences and changes over a longer period of 3+ years on low dose estradiol (well, they went up a bit as it progressed) via a (subcutaneous) implant. I'll see if I can find it again.

I still believe transdermal patches are safer & they are still available over the counter without a prescription in a couple of EU countries (the shipping is not allowed officially and can be confiscated if discovered). The blood work is still important with diy (your doctor is not allowed to disclose that information, important in some countries due to insurance & and some gatekeeping if you decide to transition fully later).

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Have you got some results? Side effects?

I do have a bit more energy recently, though I attribute it to other supplements. Nothing else, so far. And ... how can you be sure if those patches contain anything else besides glue?

Have you aeady PM boobs developed?

I clearly developed some "gynecomastia". Though, again, I can not attribute it to something particular. The PM doses I use (300-400mg a day, occasionally more, when my SCM makes me) should not lead to size increase, in theory. It can be something else, or a combination of factors. It is aeady scientifically proven, that hypnosis can do that.

I thought about adding to my protocol of PM and Maca also Saw Palmetto and Aguaje.

I've read that:
- Saw Palmetto blocks estrogen receptors in breasts (need to find articles)
- There were many researches on Saw Palmetto, and still no certainty, that it reliably inhibits 5a-reductase (to prevent T->DHT conversion). Just a bit better, than placebo.
- Maca does not change much E/T-wise.
- Aguaje is not in the top list of phytoestrogenic herbs (need to check if there were any papers published).

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please enlighten me, why do you prefer this route over bioidentical estrogen when the result you want (in this case, growing boobs) is caused by activating the estrogen receptors? 

The thing is... I did/do not want to grow boobs... It's not my fetish. But something "within" (SCM?) like it. Can be a hypno-influence...

So, I took Pueraria to enhance my skin, hair, nails, smell, and, possibly, regroup some fat. Also, the bare fact that I swallow PM has/had some psychological effect.

OTOH, I have no idea what's inside those pills. Some creamy elongated powder...

It is aeady scientifically proven, that hypnosis can do that.

About hypnosis effect on breasts growth, have you heard before about the Hideto Tomabechi ring tone? Maybe a urban legend…

please enlighten me, why do you prefer this route over bioidentical estrogen when the result you want (in this case, growing boobs) is caused by activating the estrogen receptors? 

The thing is... I did/do not want to grow boobs... It's not my fetish. But something "within" (SCM?) like it. Can be a hypno-influence...

So, I took Pueraria to enhance my skin, hair, nails, smell, and, possibly, regroup some fat.  Also, the bare fact that I swallow PM has/had some psychological effect.

OTOH, I have no idea what's inside those pills. Some creamy elongated powder...

And then there could also be some genetics involved. I have been wondering whether there would be any correlation when people who have succeeded in growing boobs with phytoestrogens are set out against the boob size of female family members, specially when they were young. In first instance the exact origin of the phytoestrogens might be of lesser importance. Maybe lots of beer (hops) is be sufficient.