General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread

[Like Ra]

I'm literally crying:

You're gonna love me... And we will always love you...

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxH0tZPe_BY


Or did the world want too much from this girl? Bloody showbiz...

At least he's alive. And where's Whitney?

[vanessa_fetish]

Transitioning doesn't mean the gift is being wasted. It only means it is used differently. And in the end, what matters is no one else but the person who needs to transition. I'd much rather see a person transition and be happy, than be sad then take their life because of the pressures we face in society being trans and more so when that person is a public figure.

[Like Ra]

Transitioning doesn't mean the gift is being wasted.

In this case the voice (including intonation) is lost.

I'd much rather see a person transition and be happy, than be sad then take their life

I totally understand this point and support it. But still I have a strong suspicion, that it was the media/public attention/expectations what led to the transitioning, not the gender dysphoria from the early childhood. I'm kinda investigating this in the General Hypnosis thread, e.g. https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...7#pid30367

[vanessa_fetish]

Transitioning doesn't mean the gift is being wasted.

In this case the voice (including intonation) is lost.

I'd much rather see a person transition and be happy, than be sad then take their life

I totally understand this point and support it.  But still I have a strong suspicion, that it was the media/public attention/expectations what led to the transitioning, not the gender dysphoria from the early childhood. I'm kinda investigating this in the General Hypnosis thread, e.g. https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...7#pid30367

If anything media attention etc would discourage transition. I have never heard or seen reported a case of actual transition where the cause is media, public attention etc. More likely he struggled to put it off as long as he could, to *avoid* extra attention.

I know how the media can be, I have been the subject of media attention myself (Ottawa Sun Newspaper Nov 9/98, defunct now Montreal Daily news in 88, countless radio shows and tv on the Sexplora TV show last year)

[Like Ra]

Yes, you're 100% right Vanessa! I Googled around and found another interview with Oprah.

“I knew when I was five,” he told Winfrey at the time of his attraction to girls. “I was in grade school and I saw this girl, and I felt different. I didn’t know what it was, but I just knew … it felt special. And when I was 10, I was like, ‘Oh, that’s it. I’m gay.’ I found the word for who I really am.”

At that point, Winfrey asked whether the singer had ever considered himself transgender. “Were you thinking about, like, transitioning to become a male?” the talk show host asked.

“Not exactly transitioning to, like, a male-male,” Zyrus said at the time. “Basically, my soul is male, but I’m not going to go through that stage where I’m going to change everything. I’ll cut my hair and wear boy clothes and everything, but that’s all.”

“I felt [before] that I’m going to come out as a lesbian because I felt at the time, I said only being gay or being lesbian was recognized. Even though, before, I explained that I was a man, [what people would tell me was], ‘No, you’re a lesbian.’ It’s as if it was the only thing there was before.”

3 years later he transitioned.

[Like Ra]

Another bookmark: http://www.apa.org/research/action/difference.aspx "Men and Women: No Big Difference"

[Like Ra]

Not sure where to place it. I "was stumbled" upon this interesting theory: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/75430875 It's a huge thread I did not go through yet, but the idea revolves around autogynephilia. I can't agree with most of it, but there is definitely something reasonable about it. E.g. trying to run away from responsibilities. And autogynephilia does resonate...

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%...m_typology

[cbshackle]

Not sure where to place it. I "was stumbled" upon this interesting theory: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/75430875 It's a huge thread I did not go through yet, but the idea revolves around autogynephilia. I can't agree with most of it, but there is definitely something reasonable about it. E.g. trying to run away from responsibilities. And autogynephilia does resonate...

Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%...m_typology

The whole autogynephilia theory has been used to hurt transgender women. TERFS (Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist) use this to claim that transwomen are not women and that transgender women are men with a fetish for dressing on women's clothes. (Of course transwomen like myself that are post-op blow away that train of thought but that doesn't stop them from coming up with another reason.) This reason is why I always say there is a huge difference in being a transgender woman and a cross-dresser. As a transgender woman, the only time I truly crossdressed was when I wore men's clothes, LOL.

[Like Ra]

The whole autogynephilia theory has been used to hurt transgender women.

I think the autogynephilia theory does work, but it's just one of the reasons for MtF transitions. And of course it must not be used as a "blanket" reason for all TGs. Autogynephilia and the "responsibility burden" (clearly a psychological/social issue) can be the main reason for all the feminization/sissyfication/bimbofication hypno- and real-life fetishes, escapism (more "responsibility" related), etc. E.g. "if I were a woman, I wouldn't have these problems".

[vanessa_fetish]

The whole autogynephilia theory has been used to hurt transgender women.

I think the autogynephilia theory does work, but it's just one of the reasons for MtF transitions. And of course it must not be used as a "blanket" reason for all TGs. Autogynephilia and the "responsibility burden" (clearly a psychological/social issue) can be the main reason for all the feminization/sissyfication/bimbofication hypno- and real-life fetishes, escapism (more "responsibility" related), etc. E.g. "if I were a woman, I wouldn't have these problems".

Ra, I've not met one single transitioning or post op transwoman that had autogynephilia as a reason anywhere at all. 

And we need to separate the fetish from the reality. It's fine to fantasize about "if I were a woman I wouldn't have these probs" but those of us in transition or who have, know that the road is hard, and that the road has its own inherent problems. We do it because we know who we are inside, that what we essentially have is a birth defect. More and more studies show that it is not psychological in the regards that it is a mental illness, but rather that our brains are either very close to or match the brain patterns of the gender we identify with.

As a transwoman I have received flak and BS for taking the role of sissy in BDSM. I don't IDENTIFY as one, I PLAY one in the lifestyle because it is fun, I enjoy it. And it also keeps the creeps away lol.... most think a sissy is a CD/TV only so they don't come after me as much for the "chick with a dick" fantasy anymore lol. And that prob is real... when I was domme, that is all I got - creeps wanting that fantasy and not interested in my skills. Same with being a TS sub... they didn't care about my skills as a sub, they just wanted to diddle a chickie with a dickie