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Pantyhose & stockings    No Replies

Clam, 19 Sep 2009, 23:49

hey guys i found 2 pretty good sites for pantyhose/stockings (more toward the stocking end on the first)

http://stockingvixen.blogspot.com/
http://nyloncelebs.blogspot.com/


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General    3 Replies

nylonslave, 14 Sep 2009, 06:29

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Serious selfBDSM


Self-Bondage Techniques    3 Replies

2bkept4life, 11 Sep 2009, 08:09

i am a 31 year old trans i guess,5'2", long blonde hair, blue eyes, very very female in appearance even in Male clothing and no makeup at all, i havent had any surgery other than Dental to remove two back teeth in my upper and lower so a ponybit and special gags and other devices
will fit correctly, i have been on hormones for about 15 years though they are low doses as i am naturally femme in appearance. i have nice natural boobs, 34c, from the hormones and my own body doing its part to keep me feminine. i am naturally submissive and have had extensive slave training. i'm pierced and ringed in my earlobes, septum, my tongue has five studs in it, nipples, navel ring, frenum and deep set guiche in that ridge of skin behind my scrotal sac and i've been branded on my right ass cheek with the word SLAVE. i live as a female 24/7. i'm bisexual, well
trained to please and pleasure Males and Females in most any way. i have been trained rather intensely along with several other gurls, and my BDSM desires and likes etc are pretty intense as well. Heavy, strict, stringent, creative bondage, severe gags, torment, tortures, i luv to be forcibly intubated, catheterised, stomach tubed. Because of the intubation both in my Airway and Stomach my gag reflex is nonexistent and i can take huge Cocks down my throat as long as my mouth will open wide enough. my bottom hole is still very tight due to the Trainers using dildos and plugs with very narrow necks so my hole snapped shut over them and using electrostim to make the muscles tighten and release. i can grip a Cock or most anything else even with lube* just like it was in my hand. Needless to say thats a very popular hole. Currently i am not locked into a chastity device like the others but will be by Xmas this year. i can still erect when ordered to as well as sperm though the sperm is weak and dead.

Please feel free to contact me via Email or IM for further info or questions.


i tend to be elaborate in my SelfBDSM. I build or have built for me, devices that are electronically controlled, computerised, serious, severe and punishing. This is one of those devices.

If you have seen the Robert Bishop drawing of the Female fastened in place via an electro dildo and nipple clamps etc, i have had a device built thats very similar. Though it is much more elaborate in functions. To start, theres a 10" tall base that houses the electronics, toe clamp mechanisms, rotary and vertical fuck motors and gearing, mini winches, lube pump and resivor and power supplies. The "Mast" that has the dildo for my ass and attached upright for the nipple clamps, toe clamps, heel switches, and a secondary mast with wrist and above and below elbow cuffs attached to the mini winches in the base, are also mounted on the base.

The "Mast" has a manual mechanism not unlike that used on a ratchet type car jack and pedal so i can pump the dildo up my ass when starting a session. The dildo is 2" in diameter for 7" and has a 1" bump on it so it rides or smashes across my prostate, then it narrows to 7/16" for the
neck so my holes snaps around it tightly. There are lube ports on the shaft and the shaft is electrically continuous so i am zapped or stimmed as i am mounted here. It also rotates and moves up and down in my ass so the bump hits my prostate forcing sperm out and anal "orgasms". Like the Bishop drawing theres a loop thats connected to the "Mast" and when the spreaderbar on my ankle restraints touches it i am zapped.

The toe clamps are simple U-shaped steel that my "Big" toes slip into and then when the start is begun they pull down mechanically and lock in place holding my toes apart and until they are released.

The heel switches are custom made and mounted firmly to the Base. i have to stay up on my toes or i am zapped. Theres about 1/4" space between the top bar of the switch and the bottom of my heel when i am up on my toes. This becomes very tiring.

The upright for the nipple clamps is electrically connected via a different circuit so if i slouch or slump i am zapped when the weight touches the plate and pushes it down.

The secondary "Mast" is mounted about one foot from the Main "Mast" and has the wrist and elbow cuffs plus a pair of arms that come out at neck level so my posture collar can attach to it so i cant move to avoid anything in punishment and from there is another upright that just clears the top of my head and has a arm that goes over my head and stops just short of my face. This arm has a mini winch with a cable and clip that attaches to my septum ring to pull my head back even further. Very painful. Theres been talk of somehow making it so it can pull my arms up in a severe Strappado! I hope so.

So i just make sure everything is ready and filled and working and then step up on the Base and position myself, i give the start button a little press and i have no less than 10 minutes to get in position,lock both ankles, lift my right leg enough to step on and pump the pedal to jack the
dildo up my ass until its in, attach the clamps to my nipples, slip both toes under the clamps and get up on my toes, attach the clip to my septum ring, attach the arms to my posture collar, bend forward as much as i can to get my arms into the cuffs behind me, and wait.

When the device starts up its quite frightening. The mini winches start without warning and my wrists and elbows are drawn back further until they touch and stop, the septum winch pulls my head back and the dildo pumps up and down inside me. i am zapped methodically as the Base goes thru a Test Mode and then the "fun" starts.

My Trainers are developing a series of automated whipping, caning and enema devices to add to the Base. These have to be different from the usual due to the nature of the Base. And a deep throat fucking device too, this i am really looking forward to as i luv to deep throat. Plus a
clitty insert that will zap me too.

FYI: my clitty is secured under me via the frenum and guiche and my balls are pushed up inside so the sac hangs down and when my clitty is locked to the guiche it looks kind of like labia.

When the dildo fucks me it runs along the end of the head of my clitty and thats a wonderful sensation for a while and then it gets uncomfortable, then good again and back and forth the entire session.

My Trainers havent decided on publishing photos yet, but i'll let you know when or if they do.


samantha



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senario voor avond/nacht


Nederlands/Vlaams    2 Replies

latexslaafboy, 01 Sep 2009, 06:56

Hoi LR,
eerst wi ik je complimenteren met je site, echt geweldig, kijk er zeer gegelmatig op !
wil j vragen of je een ideen voor mij heb voor zelf bondage avond/nacht

ik ben volgende week dinsdag avond na mijn werk ( van af 17:30 thuis) tot de volgedne ochtend (woensdag) alleen thuis !
moet dinsdag en woensdag wel werken, dus woensdag oachtend om 8 uur naar werk !
-wel moet ik de honden uit laten om 17:30 en om +- 22:00 en de volgnde ochtend 7 uur !

Een ideale manier voor een lange zelf bondage-zelf kwelling, zelf vernedering avond/nacht.
verschillende ideeen zoals huishoudslaaf, vast in bondage ( sleutels in ijs, zodat ik er niet bij kan) vast slapen in bed of ergens anders


mijn site voor spullen voor opdracht : http://www.pridesites.com/fetish/slaafruben/index.html


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new site - Spandex Album


Lycra    6 Replies

Clam, 29 Aug 2009, 23:22

hey guys i stumbled across this website while searching for fetish stuff in my free time (what else!)

anyway i think its pretty good, i was surprised they didnt make me pay or something (though he does have a lot of links to sites like that)

http://www.myspandexalbum.com/


http://www.myspandexalbum.com/wp-content...08_002.jpg


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Gags (and Hoods) - A personal view


Bondage General    81 Replies

madjack, 28 Aug 2009, 12:54

Gags and hoods

A common theme in self bondage is the inclusion of a gag or hood during a session. This may vary from a simple ‘cleave’ gag (any piece of material pulled into your mouth and tied behind your head) all the way through to an inflatable latex hood/gag combination – passing through countless other variations on the way.

So why are we self-bondage fans so keen on gagging and hooding ourselves? 🤔

What materials/techniques do we enjoy most? 💓

Are we taking too many risks?

I can offer some comments and ideas based upon my personal view and experiences, but what are your thoughts?

Why do it?

For me this is another element of the bondage – I’ve rendered arms, legs, hands and even my body immobile, so why not my head and mouth? If I deny myself the ability to speak or see, then I feel that I’ve stepped my bondage up to another level. In all honesty I can’t recall the last session when I wasn’t either hooded or gagged (or both!) in some manner or another.

Let me try to break this down a little:

Gag – for me there is something very erotic about a gag. It’s a combination of the feeling of it in my mouth and the restriction it brings to my speech and, in no small way, my breathing. Ah-ha! Restricting your breathing is a risk, isn’t it? I’ll deal with that particular issue later.

Hood – this can be simply a device to stop me seeing (the keys, knife or escape route) and prolonging my self-bondage, but it can also be a sensory deprivation that enhances a session. No sight (or sound if the hood is thick or your wear ear plugs) means your other senses are heightened and you are not visually distracted. I find that some of my best self-bondage experiences have been when my eyesight is restricted or removed – I can easily drift into a ‘zone’ where my mind is more able to fantasise and the feeling of helplessness (which is what self-bondage is all about – isn’t it?) is magnified many times over.

Materials and Techniques:

So much of this is down to personal preference and also cost – personally I would love to have a box full of different gags and hoods, but I can’t afford or justify the expense so I choose a small selection and experiment with techniques to see what ‘lights my fire’!

Gags – here is a list of the gags I own or create:

Ring gag – internet brought, small metal ring (approx 45mm diameter) and faux leather strap. The ring is slightly too small for my preference and I’d ideally like the metal ring to me leather or latex wrapped (which I could do myself). It is still very sexy to wear and does not restrict breathing in any way, whilst preventing coherent speech (though I’m not sure who I’d be talking to!). It is comfortable to wear for short to medium periods (I have never worn it over an hour) and the only downside is that it can be manipulated in your mouth a little too easily for my liking. For the really adventurous, a mouth that is forcefully kept open offers all sorts of possibilities….

Head-harness ball gag – another internet purchase, the ball is a hard plastic ‘dribble’ type (lots of holes rather than a solid ball) with faux leather straps from both sides and up over your head. Sadly it did not come with a chin strap and I had to make my own (without the chin strap it was surprisingly easy to eject from my mouth!). It can be a struggle to put on, especially when you are wearing nylon ‘mittens’ or anything that hampers your fingers and the straps across the top of your head also cover parts of your eyes (I can live with that).

Soft dog ball – purchased from a pet shop, this is a tough but soft ball about 50mm in diameter. The material is like a super dense foam, which can be compressed (chewed!) and absorbs some moisture (ok - drool!). I really love this as a gag, it is so versatile - I have brought two (they are also cheap at about £1 each!), one has been modified to take a pipe or bar through its centre and the other is ‘standard’. I use the modified ball with a pipe for my vacuum self-bondage sessions (the pipe is my breathing tube – yes, I know, see risks!), whilst using a wooden bar converts it to a ‘bit gag’. The standard ball is great for slipping inside a knee-high/stocking/pantyhose leg and using as a traditional style ball-gag. For me the 50mm size is just about perfect, it fills my mouth nicely (without feeling ‘stuffed’), allows some movement to avoid aches/pains but is almost impossible to eject if secured properly and utterly defeats any attempt to speak. I can and have worn this gag for over 2 hours and though my jaws did ache a little the following day it wasn’t too bad.

Tape gag – I’ve never had much luck with a tape gag on its own but use tape with cling-film/saran wrap to good effect (see Hoods)

Pantyhose gag – always a good and quick method, I like to bundle a pair (or more, if I’m feeling adventurous) into a nylon wad and, as with the soft dog ball, insert them into another pair of pantyhose or similar to make a nice, mouth-filling, gag. I’ve never used Ra’s method, even though I keep meaning to – maybe one day… With this gag it is the feel and taste of nylon on my tongue and in my mouth that excites me, not just the gagging alone. I have tried many different materials as a wadding for this type of gag – some are better/sexier than others (I’m sure you can use your imagination with regard to items of soft material that could be slid inside a stocking and used to gag yourself with).

Gags I would like to try:

Inflatable gags always fascinate me, both the ‘butterfly’ type and the ball/plug style. I imagine them to be more effective mouth fillers and demanding to wear, so approach them with some trepidation (call it fear if you prefer), but they still draw me towards their mystery and promise.

Penis gags also hold an attraction, which is odd because I don’t especially want a man’s penis in my mouth… hmm! I guess I’m interested in this style simply due to the ‘filling’ of my mouth, rather than the fact it is a latex/rubber penis as such. Could I wear one? I don’t know, I keep meaning to try Ra’s condom/pantyhose gag/hood as a trial run – maybe I will do that next time I have the opportunity.

Piss gags or gags will a tube through them, are another area to explore. Ra writes so evocatively about wearing one with the tube connected to a penis sheath, the idea is so compelling and erotic that I want to try it (but I do not want to drink piss!). I often fantasise about a self-bondage predicament where, should I actually cum, then cum will be free to flow into my mouth and I would be unable to stop it (see SB03/2009 and SB04/2009). I also like the idea of rigging such a gag up to a ‘punishment’ liquid that you would be forced to consume to get free (or get free before the ice melts). My only concern is that the liquid (even plain old water) would cause me to choke or cough – do people have any advice or experiences with this?

Hoods – a list of hoods or materials I use to cover my head

Lace-up faux leather hood – yet another internet purchase, made with a row of eyelets at the back that can be laced up to fit and a ‘tailored’ nose piece (to fit your nose into… duh!). When I brought this I wasn’t at all sure I’d be able to wear something like it a self-bondage session, so I went for a cheaper product just in case it didn’t work for me. The fit isn’t as snug as I’d have liked, even with the lacing as tight as it can go (and I’ve got a big head!) and the finish isn’t good quality either. But, having said that, it is a very sexy thing to wear – especially over a nylon hood and/or gag. The fit is good enough to prevent you removing it as you struggle, it takes away your sight and it will hold even the loosest gag in place (bonus!). The eyelets have already come loose from the faux leather and I would like a better ‘nose piece’ for easier breathing. When finances and circumstances allow (hopefully avoiding having to explain what was in the package to loved ones!) I will be looking for a more expensive and hopefully better fitting replacement in real leather.

Latex hood – I used to own a full latex hood in black with two nose holes. It was outstanding to wear and produced some of the most intense experiences I can remember having, but… It was a nightmare to put on, always slipping through nylon clad fingers or getting snagged up on clothing and hair, nearly impossible to align with your nose and ultimately too fragile for sustained use (I ripped it apart by accident in a session 6 months after buying it – expensive mistake!). It was also a very scary item to wear when helplessly bound – you where very aware of the two tiny holes to breath through and how easy it might be for them to close up on you. For this last reason I haven’t rushed to replace it – even though I confess to being turned on just writing about my experiences with it. Wearing for long periods was OK, but very sweaty, and it did a great job of keeping a gag in place (had to be a simple ball or wad of nylon)

Lycra Zentai hood – ok, mine is an integral part of a full suit, but it is totally amazing to wear anyway. It fits like a glove, restricts vision and feels great – you can wear a gag over it (recommended – my favourite is my head harness) and enjoy the way the lycra is forced into your mouth. It is so comfortable to wear and I’ve never experienced any problems with duration.

Cling-film/saran wrap – the stretchy plastic material you use to wrap food in or to cover bowls for use in the micro-wave oven. Though not exactly fitting into Ra’s website, I feel this method is worthy of mention. You can very quickly and easily wrap your head in stretchy plastic, totally covering everything – but you must, MUST, remember to quickly open up some air holes to your nose or mouth (I use an old pen to pierce the plastic and open a route to each nostril) – this is another method that will be mentioned again in ‘Risks’. I like to use this technique in combination with some other gag (pantyhose or a soft ball are great) and some tape. Insert your wad of nylon pantyhose, quickly wrap your head in as many layers as you wish, keeping the wrap as tight as you can –and remembering to open up the airways for your breathing! Once you have covered your head you can then add more wraps of tape (any type – it’s up to your personal preference) around your mouth and also, for total effectiveness, under your chin and over the top of your head – this combines to force the gag in and clamp your mouth around it. As combined gagging and hooding go this must be the most effective method I’ve ever come across. If you have added ear-plugs the experience can be very rewarding indeed – you can only hear your own blood pumping. If you prefer a nylon encased finish it’s easy enough to pull a stocking over the plastic and who’d know!

Nylon hood – the best and cheapest of them all, this is so easy to do. A stocking is the traditional method, but I have recently found that some knee-highs (pop-socks) can be even better and provide a much more attractive finish and look. You can use pantyhose/tights as well – I like to set them with one leg inside the other and then pull both layers over my head. Whichever option you pick the result is fabulous, with a smooth nylon hood (in the colour of your choice) covering your entire head. Gags can be worn over or under this hood, I do both! My first layer (or two) goes on, followed by a gag, then another layer of nylon (or more) to finish it all off).
Mmm… the feel and taste of nylon in my mouth, stretched tight around a filling gag, my whole head encased in the wonderful material… Ah… Mmm…. oh…OH… sorry, I was drifting away there!Blush

Some people (Ra included) suggest that you can add a tape gag over a nylon hood and this does have its merits, but the tape will probably ruin the precious object you have used for your final layer, so it’s best to finish off with something old and laddered if you intend to do this. I personally haven’t tried this method, so can not say if it’s good or not – but I do intend to give it a go and will report back on my findings.

Hoods I would like to try:

I keep looking at the ‘studio masks’ and lace-up latex hoods on eBay and wondering if I should try again – does anyone have experience with these or suggestions for alternatives?

I like the look of the transparent latex hoods and those with eye/mouth holes, but I’m not sure they will bring me the intensity of a full face, solid colour, hood.

I am also fascinated by the hoods with built-in gags (solid or inflatable) – are they any good?

A simple lycra hood that fitted nice and tight would be a sensible purchase and one I should really sort out soon.

I’ve seen several leather hoods that promise so much, with locking straps and apparently great fit. But are they really that good and worth all the money? Could I ever really use one in a self-bondage session or are they too intense and restricting?

Tape is a material I haven’t really explored enough, I use either parcel tape or duct tape. I often consider using tape to completely cover my head after I have pulled on a stocking or knee-high (or after cling-film). Again, there is some great imagery on the web showing people in this predicament, but I do have a few concerns over safety and use in self-bondage.

Vet-wrap (or elastic bandages) appears to over a softer alternative to tape and would seem to be more ‘breathable’. Next time I’m alone in an equestrian store or spot a special offer on bandages at the chemist I think I shall buy 10m or so to give it a go. OK, so it’s not lycra, nylon or latex, but it is stretchy and can be used for bondage so it must be good… shouldn’t it?

Risks – life is full of risks, lets be sensible out there… OK?

Any time you cover your head or your mouth whilst bound you are taking a risk, indeed even being bound is a risk – so let’s consider this is perspective; what am I going to do that is more risky than before and should I even consider it?
If you start to choke or cough when you are gagged or you can’t breathe easily then you are in trouble - simple as that. I know, I’ve been there and got the T-shirt. It was scary, but I survived and I learnt.
The (my) basic rules are very simple:

– Don’t even think about trying this if you have a cold, hay-fever or any condition that will cause you to frequently cough or sneeze (which can be really unpleasant – trust me!)

- You must always ensure you can breathe freely (sounds obvious I know) even when you’re thrashing about in your bondage. I had a scary moment many years ago, when I’d wrapped my head in cling-film and had opened up two holes to allow me to breathe through my nose. All was going well until I rolled onto my front and rubbed my head on the bed-sheets. Somehow I managed to loosen the end of the wrapping, which promptly flapped over my two breathing holes! Scary!! If I tried to breathe in, the plastic sealed the holes, breathing out would momentarily clear them, but as soon as I tried to breathe in it sealed over again. I thought my hands where securely tied behind my back, but as I struggled I managed to free them and pull the plastic clear and breathe freely once more (I had bruises on both wrists for some time afterwards – hard to hide, but better than the alternative!).

- if you are planning a serious session and want to be hooded and/or gagged, then choose a material or method that is easier to breathe through or incorporates a fixed open airway. We can see that Ra uses latex hoods with built in breathe-through gags or his latex hood with mouth openings. These are usually fine if used with thought and care. After my scare I now like to use the nylon hood and a gag I can breathe through/around – but even these must be treated with caution. Multiple layers of nylon (very sexy and something I love) can seriously restrict breathing when wet or damp. Why is that? Well, the fine weave of nylon (or any similar fabric) can become clogged by water droplets/molecules and many layers exaggerate the effect. If you don’t believe me the look around the internet at the more extreme sites where a wet fabric hood is often used in breath-play scenarios (If breath play is your thing, fine, just don’t play solo it’s too risky). Don’t believe me? It’s an easy experiment to try out for yourself – make up a gag out of a simple nylon wad (see above) and fix it in your mouth. At first you can easily breathe through it, but as it becomes dampened by your saliva it will take more effort to do so – try it next time you’re surfing the internet for a few hours. Weird, but true!
- If you really want a restrictive hood and/or gag why not ease back on the bondage? As both Ra and I have described there are many ways to bind yourself, but still be able to quickly escape, if needed. You can enjoy the sensations of bondage and a serious hood/gag but be able to swiftly free yourself if anything happens. Remember, you can play like this many times – but you can only get it wrong once. ❗

This approach is one I always use when trying out new gags or hoods – last week I decided to ‘enhance’ my pantyhose encasement bondage (see MJ-SB04 2008) with the addition of my faux leather hood and more layers over my head. The basic set up was as described before, but instead of my head-harness gag, I opted for the soft ball gag and the hood. Firstly I pulled a knee-high over my head; this was followed by the ball inside the legs of some old tights and tied in my mouth, then a second knee-high to hold everything in place. Over this went the legs of two pairs of the XXL pantyhose and finally over all of that (4 layers of nylon plus gag) went the faux leather hood. It felt great – no sight, arms slipped inside the two remaining legs of the pantyhose behind my back, gagged and loving it. But, after 10 minutes or so my head began to feel very hot and uncomfortable in all those layers and my breathing was becoming more laboured. I guess that my sweat and saliva was beginning to clog up the holes in the nylon fabric and that the hood had slipped (due to being over the nylon) moving the nose holes away from their proper place – but it was a relatively simple thing to escape and remove the hood. Had I been bound and waiting for an hour or longer for ice to melt it could have turned a very exciting experience into a highly unpleasant one!

- Restricted breathing was something I mentioned earlier when talking about gags. In my own mind there is a clear distinction between breathing through a gag or pipe and true breath-play. In my scenario breathing is always possible, but may require a (small) degree more effort and is constrained in some manner – thus becoming an extension to the more traditional bondage feelings I enjoy.
Breath-play is being unable to breathe at all until some other person ‘allows’ it or having your breathing so restricted that all your efforts are focused on it and nothing else. I have read many fictional stories of self-bondage breath-play, but unless you have a partner always in close attendance, to try these for real in a solo session would be like playing Russian roulette with your life – just don’t do it!

There! I’ve gone on long enough and I’m sure some of you will have your own comments or thoughts about what I’ve written down.
Everything here is my personal view and shouldn’t control your life – but maybe, in a small way, it can help make it better, more fun and longer!

Play safe and have fun

MJ


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Self-bondage unitard O.o


Self-Bondage Session ideas, requests and fiction    12 Replies

Clam, 21 Aug 2009, 09:26

oh i found this variant of the self bondage leotard, not quite as good in my opinion, but worth noting if you havent seen it (i love both of them)
http://optikalcamo.com/wp-content/upload...body_b.jpg


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Men in swimsuits and leotards (photos)


Lycra    316 Replies

Like Ra, 20 Aug 2009, 22:57

As the subject says.


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Swimsuit and leotard links


Lycra    19 Replies

SwimBond, 17 Aug 2009, 20:34

Below are a list of links to various swimsuit related websites. Some sell desireable suits, like rubber or neoprene suits or full bodies/closed back ones. Some links are to sites about men wearing swimsuits in public. Some may have been linked to previously somewhere on this site, but why not double up when something's good? 😁

Enjoy!Blush

Agon Swimsuits

Oceanline
Neoprene section of the above

Turbo Swimsuits

A site about one-piece swimsuits
A nice gallery from the above site

An interesting site about men wearing one-piece swimsuits. Includes a couple of interesting galleries


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Hiding lycra under normal clothes...


Lycra    17 Replies

SwimBond, 11 Aug 2009, 23:36

More of a request for advice and suggestions really...

Recently I wore a pair of 100denier pantyhose with a pair of lycra leggings over the top under my clothes when I went to work. They are great to wear and easy to hide so noone notices.

I would love to be able to wear eaither my lycra leotard (long sleeve, turtleneck) or one of my swimsuits under my clothes to work too. However they must not be seen by anyone at work. The uniform is trousers and a light colour shirt... The best I can think of is wearing a light colour t-shirt under my shirt- hopefully the added layer would hide the colour of my leotard/swimsuit and the added thickness would hide the shape of straps... But I'm not sure that it would be 100% effective- if I stretch slightly and the shirt material tightens it might reveal a clear pattern of a swimming costume...

Any suggestions anyone?

Thanks!


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