General hypnosis and NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) discussion

[Like Ra]

Why do you propose to move my request of mantra-hypnos?

Not your request, but the mantra discussion.

[Like Ra]

By the way, I disagree with your claim

What is good, otherwise there would be no discussion 😊

it's "brainwashing"

What is your definition of "brainwashing"?

[Like Ra]

"Official" definitions of brainwashing (various sources):

- a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas
- persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship
- the process of pressurizing someone into adopting radically different beliefs by using systematic and often forcible means.
- the process to make someone believe something by repeatedly telling them that it is true and preventing any other information from reaching them
- a method for systematically changing attitudes or altering beliefs, originated in totalitarian countries, especially through the use of torture, drugs, or psychological-stress techniques.
- any method of controlled systematic indoctrination, especially one based on repetition or confusion: brainwashing by TV commercials.
- an instance of subjecting or being subjected to such techniques: efforts to halt the brainwashing of captive audiences.
- If you brainwash someone, you force them to believe something by continually telling them that it is true, and preventing them from thinking about it properly.
- To brainwash is to change someone's beliefs or attitudes using intense teaching and indoctrination.

[princesitanatty]

Why do you propose to move my request of mantra-hypnos?

Not your request, but the mantra discussion.

OK, then I agree. I disagree with your claim that it's "brainwashing". At least, that's not an accurate description of all cases. For example: I'm not using mantra-hypnos to brainwash myself or to change my own desires, I have these desires since much before internet existed and hypnos were available, I use mantra-hypnos to increase my own pleasure based on my own desires, just as other people use porn movies or porn magazines.

[Like Ra]

One of the brainwashing methods, which basically described "the mantras":

Repetition - Repetition is key. The more you hear something, the more subliminal it becomes. If you were told day in and day out that your spouse was cheating, you would probably start to suspect something. So the same goes for other things, as well. If you are told your shoes smell daily, yet you don't believe it, eventually you will because you are inconveniencing another human, which is something humans don't like to do.

[Like Ra]

I use mantra-hypnos to increase my own pleasure based on my own desires, just as other people use porn movies or porn magazines.

What means - you use the mantras not like they are supposed to be used 😁
In other words, you use all the hypno techniques as fap material, what is too simple, straightforward, not related to hypnosis, mind control, reality change, whatever, and not interesting 😁

[princesitanatty]

One of the brainwashing methods, which basically described "the mantras":

Repetition - Repetition is key. The more you hear something, the more subliminal it becomes. If you were told day in and day out that your spouse was cheating, you would probably start to suspect something. So the same goes for other things, as well. If you are told your shoes smell daily, yet you don't believe it, eventually you will because you are inconveniencing another human, which is something humans don't like to do.

Tools can have many purposes, for example, knives can be used to kill people, but not every usage of knives is an homicide. I think the same can be said about mantras. The fact that mantras can be used as a means for brainwashing, doesn't imply that every usage of a mantra is an instance of brainwashing. 

[Like Ra]

ools can have many purposes, for example, knives can be used to kill people, but not every usage of knives is an homicide. I think the same can be said with mantras. The fact that mantras can be used as a means of brainwashing, doesn't imply that every usage of a mantra is an instance of brainwashing. 

Exactly, that why I said, that using hypnostuff as fap material is legit, but not interesting. You can use a microscope as a paper weight, and that's not interesting. You can use lots of stuff as a paper weight: a sausage, a boot, a CD-player, etc. But using a microscope to hammer a nail - that's a challenge! 😁

[princesitanatty]

ools can have many purposes, for example, knives can be used to kill people, but not every usage of knives is an homicide. I think the same can be said with mantras. The fact that mantras can be used as a means of brainwashing, doesn't imply that every usage of a mantra is an instance of brainwashing. 

Exactly, that why I said, that using hypnostuff as fap material is legit, but not interesting. You can use a microscope as a paper weight, and that's not interesting. You can use lots of stuff as a paper weight: a sausage, a boot, a CD-player, etc. But using a microscope to hammer a nail - that's a challenge! 😁

I disagree that fap material is "not interesting", why do you say so? Also, it would be wrong to say that fap and brainwashing are the only two possible functions of mantras.

[princesitanatty]

I use mantra-hypnos to increase my own pleasure based on my own desires, just as other people use porn movies or porn magazines.

What means - you use the mantras not like they are supposed to be used 😁
In other words, you use all the hypno techniques as fap material, what is too simple, straightforward, not related to hypnosis, mind control, reality change, whatever,  and not interesting 😁

I disagree. My usage often doesn't include fap. And it is related to hypnosis and mind control.