General hypnosis and NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) discussion

[4krn]

Yes, and no. The problem is, we are trying to understand a system from within the system, what is impossible. The neuroscientists say:"If the brain were so simple, so we could understand it, we would not understand it". Of course, "a thought" is not "a thing", but (at this science level) "an electrochemical process".  The science is still trying to break, smash or dissect things, because this is the currently scientifically approved way. The science will continue doing it until the exceptions overweight the rules. OTOH, the astrophysics invented a perfect way to explain exceptions - they call the exceptions "dark". "Dark matter", "dark energy" 😁

Something new needs to come. New measurements, new measuring devices. New (or 5000-6000 old?) paradigms. However, new ideas do not monetize. You won't get a new grant, unless it's "approved" by "the normal scientific society ". And we need "mad scientists". Madly! 😁

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[Like Ra]

Or a Spectral Revolution?

Well prepared and fully learnt by heart conversation, but no details or even simple suggestions, unfortunately. Just myths and kitchen philosophy 😟

[Like Ra]

if there is a section on here to promote my productions

- What is your production?
- How is it related to actual hypnosis (or the site in general)?
- What can you offer back?

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if there is a section on here to promote my productions

- What is your production?
--> I send the site attached
- How is it related to actual hypnosis (or the site in general)?
--> it's videos of women being hypnotized
- What can you offer back?
-->What is this question supposed to mean? I am offering video productions for the community. Producing those videos is a lot of work and does not pay well, I do it as a hobby. Thought forums were made to exchange information about common interests, including products availble for purchase. If this forum does not offer a section to post about new hypno videos that's not a problem, just let me know and don't come at me like "What do you have to offer?". Think I made it pretty clear from the start what I am offering.

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I am offering video productions for the community.

To be more precise, you are selling videos.

it's videos of women being hypnotized

Let me rephrase. What makes them different from role playing and amateur stage performances in which the actors play as if they are hypnotized?

Producing those videos is a lot of work and does not pay well, I do it as a hobby.

Under no circumstances I doubt it! I pay for this site by myself and I perfectly know how much time and efforts it requires!

Thought forums were made to exchange information about common interests, including products available for purchase.

OK, I was not clear, my fault. Sorry for that. Let me give you an example of such collaboration: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...7#pid27397

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Little Big "Hypnodancer"  😝

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMYBfF7-hE

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Some interesting thoughts and own experiences from 8kun, published by one Anon1 (ans in conversation with Anon2:

>putting in the work and consciously working stuff out/seducing/bringing-to-orgasm via the good ol' lucid consciousness you were born with eh?

You clearly don't know shit about hypnosis. It expands not contracts.

It goes deeper into rather than staying on the surface.

I use more of my brain in a couple hours of intense hypno than you do all day grinding behind a desk. More areas of my brain to boot.

I get more rest from an hour of relaxing hypnosis than i do from a nights rest or a long massage.

Since starting hypnosis I've become more aware of the "hypnosis" and "triggers" in every day life.

I've become more conscious of my body to the point i can tell you exactly what ingredient is upsetting my stomach in a meal because there's just a little too much of it.

I've been able to organize my thoughts much better so I'm not snapping at people unproductively with nonsense that isn't even related to why I'm upset.

I've started noticing that most times I get agitated it's because of my diet that day, or lack of rest or disordered thoughts.

Music has also gotten 1000x better. To the point that "Eargasm" is a literal thing, especially Sergey Rachmaninoff's "Concerto no.2"

I'm able to consciously relax tension that build up in my body, find the exact source of pain and will it away.

I've started drinking loads more water, breathing better, eating much healthier and expressing my(natural in everybody) self-destructive tenancies in a safe way so that they don't ambush me randomly throughout the day.

In general, I'm more in harmony with my conscious thoughts,, my body and my subconscious. I can recognize and asses my emotions as they come, instead of feeling helpless under their power i see that they are transient and inconsequential unless i choose otherwise. I acknowledge them for what they are, proto-thoughts. The very first thinking ever done by primordial life was just feelings. E.g "that feels bad, retreat" or "that feels good, consume"

I stopped desiring drugs(i never took much drugs but always wanted to try loads for both self-destructive and exploratory reasons"

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>Good luck functioning on no sleep and one hour of hypnosis a day and not going bonkers within a week fren

Why would you jump to that conclusion? I don't do that. I sleep as much as the next person but it's just rest. Hypnosis can be rejuvenating like a shower or exhausting depending on the file.

Hell I've even had some pretty intense full body exercises from hypnosis.

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>hypnosis and sleep are different things and fulfil different functions.

We don't actually know what sleep is for, for certain.

There are various theories, processing irrelevant information out, predicting the future, resetting the brain. Etc.

TBH I think it's a mix of all this stuff. For dreaming in particular I think it's like a test fire to regulate feelings. Like when you get a nightmare that gives you more fear than you've ever felt or when you fall in love with someone from a dream. I think it's just you're brain testing what amounts of chemicals/hormones are appropriate and making sure nothing is misfiring.

As for sleep proper(the shutting down of various brain parts)… it happens throughout the day. Not engaging a part of your brain is technically sleep for that part of the brain. Hence stuff like the Glasgow coma scale. It's a measurement of how awake(or inversely how asleep) you are.

There are people who don't actually sleep normally and you can live on 1 minute of sleep every few weeks. It'll fuck you up no doubt but it's doable.

Just being hyperfocused puts various parts of your brain to rest.

>TL;DR I agree they perform different functions but they are, in essence, the same thing. Depending on the file of course.

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>Can you tell us which hypnosis you've been listening to?

All of them tbh. I try everything. I usually focus on one hypnotist for a couple of weeks then move on. I started with Nikki (almost a decade ago now) but most recently I've been listening to Sam. My all time favourite is Elle though.

>Both sound like fun. Examples?

For rejuvenating files, Amethyst did a cell regrowth file that does the trick.

Generally speaking, any "meditation" files or any file that just takes me down and back up under 40 minutes without "doing" else will do it for me.

As for exhausting files? Paint it black is most effective for me but literally any file that's long enough or tries to put you to sleep or tries to take you as deep as you can go will hit me like a ton of bricks.

Sorry, what you're asking for is so vague and applies to most every file ever.

Now the full body exercises are a bit narrower but not by much.

Any file that tries to HFO you can do this if you're doing some of them right. Particularly the female orgasm or multiple orgasm files. Weak and slutty had me sweating but not on the first listen. Lady Rio made it hard to walk the first time i listened though.

4M37hy57 does a few too but Elle does it best IMO. At least a couple of her files expect you to move a little.

Then there's the files no-one wants to talk about but lets not do that. I tried them because of the hype and yeah, deserved if you're into it but the only reason they can be so exhausting is because they are some of the only files that ask you to do stuff. Motion itself can be hypnotizing.

Sorry for not being more helpful but i have hundreds upon hundreds of gigabytes of hypnofiles and I listen to at least one i haven't tried yet every day. You're basically asking me to categorize them.

You honestly don't know much if you think this is just fun and games. Try read some stuff about neuroplasticy and you will learn more about the effects of porn and how even normal porn can brainwash you.

The brain craves new and fast ways to get dopamine, if your system is hijacked by massive visual stimulation, old ways will simply get boring. It's all about habitualization.

Let's say a hypnotist wants you to feel pleasure whenever she snaps her finger. First of all, ofc you need to allow yourself to feel the pleasure whenever she snaps. You could enhance the experience by clinching or masturbating whenever she snaps. Let's say you did this regularly over a period of time and you learn to get aroused by the snapping.

A well known trick for settling for good habits in psychology is to combine habits together. For example you need to drink a coffee in the morning and start to combine it with reading a book. This will make the activity of reading a book more pleasurable over time and eventually you won't need the coffee anymore and will just start reading a book.

Back to the Hypnotist example. Let's say she has a foot fetish file where she wanted to visualize yourself under her feet and whenever she snaps her finger, you get aroused by the snapping sound. Do it often and you will start to get aroused just by "being" under her feet.

Of course, you could say "yeah but it was up to you to visualize everything she ordered you to do", but if you watch a lot of porn or do a lot of those audio files then your brain WILL search for new ways of dopamine and knowing what awaits your brain when listening to hypno mp3, will only make it harder to contain yourself.

There is a reason why a "just give in and relax" is often followed by a "feel the pleasure."

Good hypnotists will use all this knowledge to "program" you.

At the end, it's all about creating and forming habits. Of course, it's up to you to allow it, but if you have build a habit/fetish for being programmed, chances are you like and want to be mentally rewired in ways that you didn't actually like before.

I dabbled into this whole world in a way too young age where the mind is even more formable, if you guys really wanna tell me this didn't fuck me up in some ways then yeah go on be delusional.

This whole hypnosis topic really started to interested me and I "experimented" with it.

I don't lie when I say I got a foot fetish after heavy listening to Ms4|d3rs files.

Why I'm still here? Because the pleasure still feels so fuckin good that it's hard to escape this rabbit hole. Eventually I will be able to "reboot" my brain, well knowing that some damage caused by this whole hypno porn world will stay with me.

Lastly, forgive my English. On my phone and not a native speaker.

First of all, I agree with most everything you're saying, but I see you're only focusing on the negative effects. Also…

>I don't lie when I say I got a foot fetish after heavy listening to Ms Alders files.

I don't believe this for a second. I think it was aeady there and you just received permission/excuses to bring it forward.

Believe me when I say I've tried to give myself niche fetishes like feet/armpits for the past decade and I just can't.

Sure I can get off to the thought of getting off to armpits/feet, but actual armpits? No.

This sounds like typical denial. "It's not me, it's x"

>Eventually I will be able to "reboot" my brain, well knowing that some damage caused by this whole hypno porn world will stay with me.

How can you argue for neuroplasticity and then turn around and say there's permanent damage?

Contradicting yourself here.

Separate your porn addiction from hypnosis please.

It's probably a combination of listening to her files and watching a lot of porn. The fetish could definitely be porn induced (as of my brain searching for new ways to get off) and her files just amplified it greatly. All I can say is feet didn't interest me at all before. Though, I always had a "natural" kink for being on the submissive end and the thought of getting off to humiliating things such as feet did arouse me until I really developed the fetish then.

For me this was likely linking 2 habits together like in my post mentioned above.

You're right though that I can't know if it will have permanent damage as the brain changes itself literally constantly. Though it does feel like I've fucked up with this. I slowly developed my foot fetish while I was 14 and while I watched tons of porn and even BDSM stuff (but never involving feet). As I got it at such a young age, it could stay with me like a naturally given fetish you feel me?

Or at least it will take really long to really reboot.

I didn't distinguish between erotic hypno and porn because I used them for the same reasons and there are also hypno porn videos not just mp3s (although more effective in some ways).

Reaching an HFO to a new kink will do things to you that porn can't in some ways..

And I mean the experience itself is superb don't get me wrong.

Still happy that I never dabbled into all this sissy shit though, lol

>Or at least it will take really long to really reboot.

As long as you believe it will IMO.

>Reaching an HFO to a new kink will do things to you that porn can't in some ways..

Everything is placebo IMO.

>Still happy that I never dabbled into all this sissy shit though, lol

Long time user of sissy files. As a teen, i always wanted to be a girl. Always wanted to transition(short of dicksplitting). Planned it all out. Sissy files almost daily for years.

Have no interest in transitioning now.

Literally everything in life is what you believe, every proper therapist tells you this. The proof of it is everywhere too. So much so that we pretend there are special people or that we are the special people and that must mean the exception but you can be chaste for the rest of your life if you will it or take a vow of silence or gain a hundred pounds and lose it.

Short of a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the population (genetically speaking), no-one really has "true" depression or anxiety. They just feel that way or perceive things that way. For that tiny percentage though, they are physically incapable of feeling otherwise.

The rest is just chips and shoulders.

Point being that reality is mostly what you want it to be. E.G placebo.

Now I'm not saying you can want to be a millionaire and just become one.

I'm saying if you really wanted to be a millionaire you'd become one no matter what it took.

People who don't become millionaires simply don't want to, or want other things more. They want to be millionaires without the effort.

Another example would be bodybuilders, you're not genetically incapable of having that ration of muscle mass, you're will to achieve it is what matters there. If you let other wants get in the way(wanting fast food or to relax) then you'll have a harder time getting there.

>Protip, manage your self-sabotaging tendencies.

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>Would love it if you could explain how you stayed away from all those sissy urges

I didn't. Didn't you read?

My whole point was that i believe it's a matter of perspective in all things.

I used to be suicidal, borderline murderous, woefully anxious. Then i realized it was only a matter of how i look at things.

I looked at happiness as something you could accumulate. I looked at frustration as something inflicted by others. I looked at people and thought they compared themselves to others as much as me.

The truth is everything you feel is a non-consensual feeling, resistance is futile. Hypnosis taught me this. You have to feel bad to feel good and vice versa. If this weren't true we'd all take heroin or meth all day because it would make us feel good non-stop but even those can't do that for us.

So when it comes to sissy stuff (or anything really, from money to body image to education) most people, myself included, convinced themselves that it would be the secret key to unlock the door to happiness leaving behind a room of pain and suffering.

The truth is there is no key and there is no door and there never existed a room.

It's all in your head, if it's not then look to the lepers, the terminals, the insane or the truly poor. Wouldn't they be content if their ails simply vanished? Only for a time, then they'd suffer just the same.

I was taught being trans meant that you were born with part of your brain as the opposite genders, the sex part to be specific.

There is absolutely no way that that applies now, to all the trans at least.

So by that definition, I'm not trans and can't claim to be unless i go to a doctor and get scanned and they tell me this is the case.

Until i do it's just another "this is what i want"

Which is fine IMO, people can do themselves and I'll do me. If they hurt themselves or get better for it, it's their thing too. Plenty of people bodybuild to unhealthy levels or eat so much that their foot falls off and their hearts stop. Smoking is still a thing.

Plenty of people also turn their lives around bodybuilding, or eat just enough to avoid weight related diseases or smoke all day everyday without detriment. I'm not going to start telling people how to live or how not to without subjecting everyone to the same scrutiny, including myself.

>TL;DR Willpower and perspective. Both are nurtured, i like to think of them as trees or roads in my brain. The more used the better.

[princesitanatty]

Can we "get into trance" spontaneously, for example when reading a book or watching a movie? Is it necessary to have an initial induction guided by an hypnotist?
I tend to think that hypnosis is a state of mind that is more open to suggestions, and that the hypnotist-subject relation is a specific case of that broader class. I think that hypnosis is a more usual state of mind than most people think, and that the phenomenon of art is closely linked to it. I find many similarities between the hypnotist-subject relation, and the artist-public relation. Do you have thoughts about this?

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Can we "get into trance" spontaneously, for example when reading a book or watching a movie? Is it necessary to have an initial induction guided by an hypnotist?

Of course we can and we do. And yes, not necessary. We actually do not need any external suggestions or stimuli. We can do everything by ourselves. Hypnosis in general is just to help us to get to this state and to lead us through. In other words, the desired effects can be achieved by using various methods. "Formal hypnosis" is one of them.

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Just linking here the ideas/layers how hypnosis works: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...7#pid44697