General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread

[Like Ra]

Bookmarking a huge article:

The New Patriarchy: How Trans Radicalism Hurts Women, Children—and Trans People Themselves - Quillette

https://quillette.com/2018/12/04/the-new...hemselves/


Scary... The society and politics are toxic ...

[Like Ra]

https://quillette.com/2018/12/04/the-new...hemselves/

Finally finished reading this great (and highly recommended) article (I recommend reading it in the "Reader mode").

Interestingly enough, this is what I wrote some time ago:

The actual reasons behind the previous post are even not the political correctness or "thought police", but the waves of "hypes" and "backlashes". ... (I would call it "an attack of SJWs"), what, in my opinion, creates more "backlash hate speech", than "forced tolerance".

And this is how the article ends:

Overall, the push for gender self-ID does more harm than good to the interests of gender-dysphoric people whose main concern is to be accepted by members of the sex they wish they had been born into. And as we see more cases of people claiming transgender status in bad faith, we may see a backlash.

So, it's not my imagination...

Just in case I saved the article (I'm acquiring the habit of saving everything I like or find useful, because nowadays the good stuff disappears from the Internet much faster, than 15-20 years ago).

[Like Ra]

Just curious. Are there any successful (aesthetically "passable") m2f transitions without FFS (Facial Feminization Surgery)? All "successful m2f" timelapse stories I've seen so far include FFS.

The more keep searching for info and watching transition lines, the more it becomes clear to me, that HRT does much more harm, than brings the femininity closer. To summarize the feminization factors:

1- Breast development (however not reliable and not always symmetric)
2- Redistribution of body fat (waist becomes narrower, the whole appearance a bit rounder)
3- Thinning of body hair (just a bit, not always and not everywhere)
4- Scalp hair growth
5- HRT reduces acne, seborrhea, skin oil (may lead to dry skin)

And that's it... 2,3 and 4 look good and I would call them positive irrespectively of feminization. The rest is either harm, or does not work after puberty, or depends on the physical form, or not stable, or not confirmed, or can be achieved using other less destructive methods.

I've read a lot about the mood change, but researches did not confirm the reasons. It can be either the hormones, or the psychological effect of "the first step taken to transition".

Is HRT any worthy?

On a side note. I asked my wife to make a couple of photos of me today, and it turned out that I can't even pose properly, despite all her efforts. 😁 My joints, tendons and muscles simply refuse to act any close to feminine 😁 I think I look ridiculous. Just like most TV photos (with all my respect to the efforts undertaken by TGs). I think there should be other ways... Healthy, slender beauties (all sexes) look good in any clothes. More yoga, more exercises, more fresh air, healthy relationships are the good first steps 😉

[essanym]

I asked my wife to make a couple of photos of me today, and it turned out that I can't even pose properly, despite all her efforts. My joints, tendons and muscles simply refuse to act any close to feminine I think I look ridiculous.

Have you considered taking a ballet class?

Is HRT any worthy?

I did HRT for around 6 months, maybe 8, it was a while back so hard to say.  The biggest changes I noticed in that span if time were breast growth, orgasm changes and mood changes.

While my breasts were growing, they were quite sensitive and sore on the inside, I guess mammary gland growing pains.  After I stopped HRT, my breasts stopped hurting but their size remained.  They're not big now, but I have enough that I'm not comfortable swimming topless anywhere.

My orgasm changed to where I had dry orgasms.  At first I liked that but then I grew to resent it because I remembered how much better typical male, large fluid volume orgasms felt.  On the plus side though, while on HRT, I developed the ability to have multiple orgasms.  That has remained with me after stopping HRT, so I can in fact have multiple "wet" orgasms in a row, non-stop.  Obviously, there's a limit on how much fluid is stored in a given amount of time, so some of these orgasms will effectively be dry, but I think my non-stop record is 7 right now and that's just because I got too tired to keep going.

A more subtle HRT change was my mood, I suppose I just ended up being more emotional about everything.  Since there weren't any physically tangible results I could see or measure, I can't really quantify what happened.  I can only say that other people noticed I wasn't making decisions the same as I had been before and I was more easily upset by things that wouldn't normally bother me.  These changes did not persist after concluding HRT.

[Like Ra]

Thanks @essanym!

Have you considered taking a ballet class?

Ha! That was the first thing I thought about, but no, I think I'm too grown up for that 😁 My wife would like to sign up for a tango class, but that would not help. Also, I think my martial art trainings show up (despite I stopped several years ago because of various injuries) - the body postures and stances are way incompatible with anything feminine 😁

I'm not comfortable swimming topless anywhere.

What do you wear for the beach/pool? Usual one-piece swimsuits?

My orgasm changed to where I had dry orgasms. 

think my non-stop record is 7 right now and that's just because I got too tired to keep going.

That's interesting (and not mentioned in the sources I read)! Especially the fact that it persists!

The rest corresponds to "the literature".

What was/is your overall "impression", if you don't mind my asking? Can you "label" it as "positive", "negative", "wasting of ...", "wrong decision", "useful experience"?

[essanym]

What do you wear for the beach/pool? Usual one-piece swimsuits?

I did wear a one piece latex swimsuit I made in one of my friends pools, one time.  Since I'm not even trying to live as a woman anymore, it would look weird for me to be in a public swimming place in a one piece swimsuit.  Most of the time though, I just wear a shorty wetsuit, or neoprene shorts and neoprene shirt.  As a scuba diver, it makes  perfect sense for me to have a lot of neoprene.  I do have a neoprene swimsuit I want to wear but I will wear it with shorts if I go in public.

What was/is your overall "impression", if you don't mind my asking? Can you "label" it as "positive", "negative", "wasting of ...", "wrong decision", "useful experience"?

On a scale of 1 to 10 with 1 being amazingly positive and 10 being the worst decision of my life, it's probably a 3 or 4.  It certainly wasn't a wrong decision at the time and I might consider doing it again to get more breast growth or stop hair loss (if that becomes an issue).  I can definitely say it was a useful experience.  Assuming a person is actually healthy enough to receive HRT, I would certainly recommend it to anyone that feels like they might benefit from it.

[bondagetom1]

Ha! That was the first thing I thought about, but no, I think I'm too grown up for that 😁 My wife would like to sign up for a tango class, but that would not help. Also, I think my martial art trainings show up (despite I stopped several years ago because of various injuries) - the body postures and stances are way incompatible with anything feminine 😁

On a slightly different topic, if you're into shoes, take tango with her. Beautiful women, high heels, graceful movement, excellent exercise, and very close connections. We took tango for over 5 years and it was a LOT of fun.

[cbshackle]

Just curious. Are there any successful (aesthetically "passable") m2f transitions without FFS (Facial Feminization Surgery)? All "successful m2f" timelapse stories I've seen so far include FFS.

The more keep searching for info and watching transition lines, the more it becomes clear to me, that HRT does much more harm, than brings the femininity closer. To summarize the feminization factors:

1- Breast development (however not reliable and not always symmetric)
2- Redistribution of body fat (waist becomes narrower, the whole appearance a bit rounder)
3- Thinning of body hair (just a bit, not always and not everywhere)
4- Scalp hair growth
5- HRT reduces acne, seborrhea, skin oil (may lead to dry skin)

And that's it... 2,3 and 4 look good and I would call them positive irrespectively of feminization. The rest is either harm, or does not work after puberty, or depends on the physical form, or not stable, or not confirmed, or can be achieved using other less destructive methods.

I've read a lot about the mood change, but researches did not confirm the reasons. It can be either the hormones, or the psychological effect of "the first step taken to transition".

Is HRT any worthy?

On a side note. I asked my wife to make a couple of photos of me today, and it turned out that I can't even pose properly, despite all her efforts.  😁 My joints, tendons and muscles simply refuse to act any close to feminine 😁 I think I look ridiculous. Just like most TV photos (with all my respect to the efforts undertaken by TGs).  I think there should be other ways...  Healthy, slender beauties (all sexes) look good in any clothes. More yoga, more exercises, more fresh air, healthy relationships are the good first steps 😉

HRT is worthy for most transgender individuals but certainly not for crossdressers. If a transgender person wished to transition, HRT is a wonderful thing especially if you have gender dysphoria. Many ask why transition?

It comes down to 2 facts:

1. Gender dysphoria is considered a medical condition by the medical/psychiatric community as a whole
   
2. The proven most effective method of treating gender dysphoria is transitioning.
   

Aesthetically passing with HRT alone happens, but usually, you don't see it because they pass aesthetically. Generally speaking the younger a transwoman starts HRT for greater odds they will pass without surgery. However, it is not a guarantee by any means. I have seen trans women start HRT at age 55 and pass extremely well, yet I have seen one trans woman who started HRT at age 18 and doesn't pass at all. It comes down to the "genetic lottery". I'm also intersex and as a result, never had broad shoulders, no Adam's apple and I have always had feminine hips.

I am very fortunate that even though I started HRT at age 43, I was able to pass to most people at 4 months of HRT (which is very very rare). I'm now 49 and it's been nearly 5 years since anyone has misgendered me who didn't know me before I transitioned. The only surgery I have had is bottom surgery (vaginoplasty) 2 years ago. Still though it tool work that HRT couldn't do, which was to remove facial hair (it did remove body hair) through electrolysis and work on my voice which passed for female even on the phone. The other huge factor in passing is mannerisms. Fortunately for me, my mannerisms have always been naturally female. (Before I transitioned people assumed I was a feminine gay male.) Breast development-wise I only have a good B cup that is almost a C (my bra size is a 40B/38C depending on the brand) but considering my mother is naturally only a AA, I would not expect much more. 

For me, HRT was life-saving and certainly worth it. Of course, it is not for everyone but for most transgender women with dysphoria it certainly is worth it.

On a side note, there are a few other things the HRT does to feminize that often get missed:

1. Body odor changes to a more feminine small especially in the genitals area
   
2. Muscle mass is lost, but flexibility is somewhat gained. The muscles become less bulky and more elastic on estrogen
   
3. Head hair loss stops and some regrowth occurs is any was lost
   
4. Orgasms changed
   

Here is a timeline of HRT changes that help sum it all up:

   

[Smoothron]

I had to wear pantyhose for circulation issues. But expensive. Girlfriend found activeskin pantyhose for men some with fly then I loved them. In summer when could wore mini skirt for air conditioning lol. She then found 5" pumps and tought me. From waist up I'm me go tee and all. But men and women with the right pantyhose are the best. None of my friends know about skirt and heels but know about pantyhose for men cuz of health. Not with her anymore now another girlfriend and she loves pantyhose and heels. Awsome

[Zooy]

I had to wear pantyhose for circulation issues. But expensive. Girlfriend found activeskin pantyhose for men some with fly then I loved them. In summer when could wore mini skirt for air conditioning lol. She then found 5" pumps and tought me. From waist up I'm me go tee and all. But men and women with the right pantyhose are the best. None of my friends know about skirt and heels but know about pantyhose for men cuz of health. Not with her anymore now another girlfriend and she loves pantyhose and heels. Awsome

Did you wear the miniskirt and heels in public, or (like me) just around the house?