22 Dec 2009, 22:45 (This post was last modified: 22 Dec 2009, 22:48 by Like Ra.)
That's interesting. And is definitely worth trying. The one way you mentioned is a knife? Or what?
Another way of a time-release is this. So you do not tie the "feet" together, but lock them using ice cubes in each foot as stoppers.
One problem is how to prevent over-cooling (ice block will be pressed against your tummy). Probably a leather corset? Or some king of styrofoam (or whatever it's called)?
22 Dec 2009, 23:05 (This post was last modified: 23 Dec 2009, 00:15 by Joyl27.)
(22 Dec 2009, 22:45 )Like Ra Wrote: That's interesting. And is definitely worth trying. The one way you mentioned is a knife? Or what?
The one way I mentioned is doing the same sequence of movements in reverse. I don't like to destroy equipment unless in an emergency. I.e. pull your left arm downwards in an attempt to slide the loop down enough to do the next action: pull your right knee through the loop under your right elbow, followed by the right foot; next pull the left knee through, followed by the left foot; then pull your arms to the front by taking a step backwards through the loop. Then use your hands to pull the crotchpiece that is behind your neck and put it on your frontside, and now it should be relatively easy to remove the garment(s). The first step is the most difficult, because the loop must travel a friction landscape of an uphill.
(Yes, I had to actually try this now in order to sequence the movements. I won't do it the fourth fifth time to verify if I misremembered some part, though.)
23 Dec 2009, 00:54 (This post was last modified: 23 Dec 2009, 01:00 by Joyl27.)
(23 Dec 2009, 00:13 )Like Ra Wrote: Ah, ok, I understand. What could be done to prevent getting out? (yes, I'm going in that direction - inescapable self-bondage and time release 😉
Good question. You need something that latches the loop in place after the final step.
Just tested it, having legs bound together does not prevent wearing or removing the arms binding. However, the most difficult part in removing it is trying to get the loop that is around the waist, below the waist. If you've got a large bulge enough right below the waist, on top of the navel, you can indeed pull the loop up over it, because you're pulling it closer to yourself, but pulling it down over it in order to free yourself is, well, I don't say impossible without having proven it so myself, but tricky at least. Especially if the bulge is shaped like |\, it can be maneuvered one way but not the other. Now how to produce that, is a further question.
Another component that compounds difficulty significantly is if your ankles cannot move relative to each others (because in order to free yourself, you have to reach behind your soles with either hand, and the pantyhose allows only that much of movement). If you can have it such that your ankles are loosely bound together when you pull the loop up, and you observe that the pulling of the loop over the feet is very difficult, but then tighten the bondage of the ankles so that you no longer can move them relative to each others, pulling the loop over the feet might become impossible, and consequently the escape becomes impossible.
If your release is keyed to the release of the arms, it does not matter if the bondage of the ankles (and the tightening of that) is without an automatic release.
23 Dec 2009, 07:37 (This post was last modified: 23 Dec 2009, 20:11 by Joyl27.)
(23 Dec 2009, 01:50 )Like Ra Wrote: The bulge can easily be "emphasized" using chastity devices.
I did go for subtlety but maybe I should have been more clear. That bulge is no problem. Once you've got the loop across the buttocks, the rest is easier (with next significant challenge being the knees). I was talking about such a bulge that prevents you from getting the loop down across your midsection: If you pull down hard on the rear side, friction keeps the loop stuck against this bulge on stomach side. If you try to provide slack on the front side, you aren't moving your hands low enough to actually get the loop across.
For my legs tied together test in the previous post, I was wearing the leg of a unitard on my legs, and the rest of the unitard stuffed on my stomach, with the other leg working as a belt. That created some bulge.
EDIT: I thought of adding a wristband that forces to keep the arms parallel to each others (as in the Japanese style arm-binder), but while it indeed does restrict the arm movement, it had the side effect that I wasn't able to do the final moves to wear the straitjacket... I wasn't convinced that it's impossible but it was too difficult. But if it is possible, then again escaping difficulty is equally ramped up. (And my wristband was not stiff, either.)
14 Apr 2010, 19:16 (This post was last modified: 15 Apr 2010, 10:57 by Joyl27.)
(23 Dec 2009, 00:13 )Like Ra Wrote: Ah, ok, I understand. What could be done to prevent getting out? (yes, I'm going in that direction - inescapable self-bondage and time release 😉
You can use cable ties to secure the sleeves together behind your back, between your hands (i.e. the cable tie does not go around your wrists). It is relatively easy to secure them even with your hands behind your back (at least if you have a mirror). Or you can use a pad lock, or anything else that you can simply snap and lock snugly around the sleeves.
I just tried that. It worked; escaping is impossible, unless you can reach scissors with which to cut the cable tie, or you can somehow wiggle the part of pantyhose that is behind your neck over your head (which I was able to do because the garment tore), or the sleeves are excessively baggy.
For the proper tightness: Obviously, the number of loops you circle the pantyhose around your waist depends on how small/large the tights are. I think I had three loops. I made as many as I could for maximum tightness. After the first loop, I pulled the loop tight before making the next one. Note that this may create pressure against your shoulder or neck, so be careful.
Naturally, you can enhance the helplessness by wearing mittens (such as another pantyhose; socks won't do unless you can make it so that they don't come off) inside the makeshift straitjacket. Do note the difficulty that is added to operating scissors if you use mittens.
You can still move your shoulders relatively comfortably (which makes it possible to turn on your back when you are lying on your stomach with feet and knees bound). Now, to discover how that could be helped. 😁
Attached (on the right side) is a schematic illustration viewed from the backside of the person. Red=cable tie, brown=tights. For the purpose of the illustration, the loops are drawn very loosely. However, to be able to put the tie or lock around the sleeves, there must be only just enough slack that you can make your knuckles connect.
It would be even better if you could secure something around your arms or wrists while in this situation (as in the picture on the left), but I cannot figure out how one could do that themselves. (And then there would also be a chafing problem to solve.)
15 Apr 2010, 18:05 (This post was last modified: 15 Apr 2010, 18:17 by Joyl27.)
(25 Oct 2008, 00:16 )Like Ra Wrote: Ha! I can use bed legs instead of posts. I want to finally try this method. Gonna start with only one pair of 40den (easily "rippable") pantyhose.
Wow. Bed legs work well. To my surprise, when you do that, it's easier to escape when lying on the stomach than when lying on the back. (Makes sense in retrospect, because the open end of the tights is on the backside.)
I escaped by lifting the bed...
