Nowadays, I'm experimenting with lots of herbs and mushrooms: Pueraria mirifica, Hops, Shatavari, Fenugreek, Green tea, Maca (white, red, black), Reishi, Black cohosh, Wild yams.
I can not find White peony. Poria cocos works similarly and is available in NL, so, going to try this one as well 😅
As I said, I'm not interested in breasts enlargement (though, they are quite noticeable and sensitive), I'm after skin enhancements and fat redistribution.
As for the hair, I'm going to add Gynostemma pentaphyllum and Polygonum Multiflorum (this is a tricky one, it must be already properly prepared and extracted).
Apparently, to increase own estradiol production, the following should be done:
- stimulate aromatase to convert T to E2 (White Peony, Poria cocos)
- inhibit 5a-reductase to prevent T to DHT conversion (Green tea, Reishi, fenugreek, dutasteride)
- possibly decrease free T (spearmint)?
- increase T production (shilajit)
However, endogenous E2 will compete with phytoestrogens (e.g. from Pueraria mirifica, Shatavari, Hops, Wild yam, Black cohosh). So, the question is, if we go the "own E2" path, do we need to add phytoestrogens?
(This post was last modified: 12 Apr 2026, 17:02 by Like Ra.)
Fenugreek increases free testosterone by inhibiting both aromatase (which converts T to E2) and 5a-reductase (which converts T to DHT).
At the same time fenugreek contains phytoestrogens.
This stuff:
https://kruidenalternatief.nl/product-ca...-mirifica/
is strong ... Two weeks ago I had to stop taking it, because the breasts swelling and pain became ... a bit ... too much ... Two weeks later the pain begins to subside, and the erections are back. I wonder if it's just Pueraria and Hops in those 500mg capsules, and not something like ... 17β-estradiol ... 😅
Meanwhile, I found Paeonia lactiflora here: https://liki24.nl/en/p/pioenroos-600mg-6...ica-herbs/
Ordered, waiting.
Are there any natural SERMs which inhibit breast E-receptors? It does not look like Black Cohosh works.
(This post was last modified: 16 Jul 2026, 23:54 by Like Ra.)
(15 Jun 2026, 23:49 )Like Ra Wrote: Two weeks later the pain begins to subside, and the erections are back. ... and the smell is back ...
(15 Jun 2026, 23:49 )Like Ra Wrote: This stuff:
https://kruidenalternatief.nl/product-ca...-mirifica/
is strong ... Two weeks ago I had to stop taking it, because the breasts swelling and pain became ... a bit ... too much ... Two weeks later the pain begins to subside, and the erections are back. I wonder if it's just Pueraria and Hops in those 500mg capsules, and not something like ... 17β-estradiol ... 😅
I was wondering how long you were taking this product before you experienced these effects, and what the dosage was? I may be interested in buying some for myself.
(15 Jul 2026, 15:38 )myclitty Wrote: I was wondering how long you were taking this product It should be mentioned somewhere in this thread. I started, then stopped, then started again. According to the word-of-mouth, this is exactly how PM should be taken - with periodical breaks, so the receptors are not overloaded.
(15 Jul 2026, 15:38 )myclitty Wrote: what the dosage was? I started at 250mg once a day. Then switched to 2 times a day. Then I bought 400mg PM + 100mg hops capsules - from 1 to 2 capsules a day. Sometimes, when my SubConscious Mind "ordered" - 3 capsules, but very rare.
The breast pain is finally totally subsided. Currently, I'm playing with Paeonia lactiflora (aromatase stmulator), and just started with Red Clover (Trifolium pratense).
Next experiment will be to add Liquorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) - a strong adreno-blocker. Ordering now.
(15 Jul 2026, 19:29 )Like Ra Wrote: (15 Jul 2026, 15:38 )myclitty Wrote: I was wondering how long you were taking this product It should be mentioned somewhere in this thread. I started, then stopped, then started again. According to the word-of-mouth, this is exactly how PM should be taken - with periodical breaks, so the receptors are not overloaded.
(15 Jul 2026, 15:38 )myclitty Wrote: what the dosage was? I started at 250mg once a day. Then switched to 2 times a day. Then I bought 400mg PM + 100mg hops capsules - from 1 to 2 capsules a day. Sometimes, when my SubConscious Mind "ordered" - 3 capsules, but very rare.
The breast pain is finally totally subsided. Currently, I'm playing with Paeonia lactiflora (aromatase stmulator), and just started with Red Clover (Trifolium pratense).
Next experiment will be to add Liquorice root (Glycyrrhiza glabra) - a strong adreno-blocker. Ordering now. Thank you once again for your quick response. I am guessing you were taking this in conjunction with other helpful herbs. It seems from your post that this product was a bit of a game changer, do you agree? And if it was working well towards your goal, did you decide to cut back because of the pain? And if you don't mind me asking, were there any nipple changes. I am sorry if I'm getting too personal with my questions, feel free to let me know and I'll apologize. I am just very curious.
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