General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread

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Get links right.

Fixed!

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HRT is more than enough for many people. the younger the less operations if any is needed.

Yes, fully agree here.

How you even got the thought that an operation does infinitly more for the aesthetics than HRT is still way beyond my understanding when it simple does does way less than HRT does.

Let's just list what surgery and what HRT can do (and can not do) and compare. I'm afraid the list should be divided by the age groups.

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HRT is more than enough for many people. the younger the less operations if any is needed.

Yes, fully agree here.

How you even got the thought that an operation does infinitly more for the aesthetics than HRT is still way beyond my understanding when it simple does does way less than HRT does.

Let's just list what surgery and what HRT can do (and can not do) and compare. I'm afraid the list should be divided by the age groups.

Sure anyone that starts HRT below the age of 30 that is more or less around normal weight compared to their height (AKA a good BMI) HRT gives way more benefits than a simple surgery or two does. Above the age of 30 the effects of HRT is going down fast every year. And today most ppl start transition/hormone blockers even way before they hit 30. So that should be the "avrage" that im most cases results are based upon. and due to the age HRT has a giant effect. Done deal! 😁

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Where can I get the official info about the amount of transgenders/transsexuals per country (or, at least, in the US)? Please no links to LGBTQ++-=/GreenPeas/PinkPiece/JesusLives/VeganForce/reddit/2ch/idiots like Florence Ashley/pornhub 😉 Wikileaks is OK, provided they have the real documents.

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I never trust Trans related studies done by Americans in America

You may be right here. Even more right than you think...

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the official info about the amount of transgenders/transsexuals per country

The results can vary significantly even within one country:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...3806001805
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.eurpsy.2006.10.002

Prevalence and demography of transsexualism in Belgium (2006)

The results show an overall prevalence of 1:12,900 for male-to-female and 1:33,800 for female-to-male transsexuals in Belgium. In Wallonia (the French-speaking region of Belgium) the prevalence is significantly lower than in Flanders (the Dutch-speaking region) and in Brussels (the bilingual capital region). In the total Belgian population the male/female sex ratio is 2.43:1, again with a substantial difference between Wallonia on the one hand and Flanders on the other.
Discussion and Conclusion

While in Flanders and in Brussels the prevalence is comparable to that in other Western European countries, in Wallonia it is markedly lower. Transsexualism in Wallonia appears to be socially less acceptable: persons suffering from gender dysphoria in that part of Belgium encounter more problems accessing gender clinics and receiving treatment.

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Let's just list what surgery and what HRT can do (and can not do) and compare.

Finally, something related and interesting.

"Investigating the Periocular-Based Face Recognition Across Gender Transformation". (attached)
Published in IEEE TRANSACTIONS ON INFORMATION FORENSICS AND SECURITY, VOL. 9, NO. 12, DECEMBER 2014


- HRT vs FFS
- Male vs Female
- Before vs after HRT +/- FFS

Quotes:

They took 1.2 million face images of 38 subjects (an extended version of the dataset that spanned several months to three years.)

It is unknown whether these subjects have undergone facial surgery in addition to HRT.

That's the most important thing, what corresponds to what I said earlier. All published on the Internet transition timelines should not be assumed HRT only by default.

It is to be noted that HRT introduces wrinkles and lines in the skin in contrast to the plastic surgery, which removes them.

In other words, if we see an "after", photo which has less wrinkles, than "before", plastic surgery was here (or PhotoShop, or beautification photo filters, or thick layers of make-up, or sticky tapes under the layers of make-up). It's not an HRT-only effect.

Also, aging is a very important factor here, and needs to be considered in the timelines. 5-7 years do change people appearance even without HRT or surgery.

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We've just discussed it with my wife. All researches note psychological/mental effects of transitioning (including HRT). And the outer world, including our appearance, is a reflection of our internal world. E.g. a happy person looks and feels differently, than a sombre one. In regards to this, it would be very interesting to check the psychological effects of HRT in comparison to a group of people taking placebo pills. Not that it's possible to do, though, because of the involved time and ethics issues.

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On delayed puberty.

"Role of estrogen on bone in the human male: insights from the natural models of congenital estrogen deficiency" 2001

https://doi.org/10.1016/S0303-7207(01)00446-4

A further fascinating question involves the role of sexual steroids in affecting the normal body proportions of the skeleton. Traditionally, it was thought that eunuchoid body habitus, i.e. a preferential growth of the arms and legs compared with the spine — comes from an impairment of androgen action. The finding of eunuchoid body proportions in men with congenital estrogen deficiency having normal or elevated testosterone serum levels implies that estrogens are involved in the establishment of the proportions of the growing skeleton.

. . .

In conclusion, estrogens seem to be the main sex steroid involved in the final phases of skeletal maturation and mineralization. This phenomenon takes longer in hypogonadal men and in patients with delayed puberty leading to eunuchoid body proportions and osteopenia as a result of insufficient availability of androgens for aromatization to estrogens.

Estrogen is the main sex steroids involved in the final phases of skeletal maturation (e.g. achievement and maintenance of peak bone mass, epiphyseal closure), even though the details of molecular estrogen action on epiphyseal closure and bone maturation remain to be elucidated. In fact, the exact mode and site of action of estrogens in the growing bone are not completely known.

In short, do not mess with hormones, we have no idea how it actually works.

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Where can I get the official info about the amount of transgenders/transsexuals per country (or, at least, in the US)?

"Transgender Population Size in the United States: a Meta-Regression of Population-Based Probability Samples" Feb 2017

PLAIN-LANGUAGE SUMMARY
We used data from national surveys to estimate the population size of transgender people in the United States. Estimates of the number of transgender adults significantly increased over the past decade, with a current best estimate of 390 per 100 000 adults. That is about 1 in every 250 adults, or almost 1 million Americans. These numbers may be more typical of younger adults than of the entire US population. We expect that future surveys will find higher numbers of transgender people and recommend that standardized questions be used, which will allow a more accurate population size estimate.

Background. Transgender individuals have a gender identity that differs from the sex they were assigned at birth. The population size of transgender individuals in the United States is not well-known, in part because official records, including the US Census, do not include data on gender identity. Population surveys today more often collect transgender-inclusive gender-identity data, and secular trends in culture and the media have created a somewhat more favorable environment for transgender people.

Objectives. To estimate the current population size of transgender individuals in the United States and evaluate any trend over time.

Search methods. In June and July 2016, we searched PubMed, Cumulative Index to Nursing and Allied Health Literature, and Web of Science for national surveys, as well as “gray” literature, through an Internet search. We limited the search to 2006 through 2016.

Selection criteria. We selected population-based surveys that used probability sampling and included self-reported transgender-identity data.

Data collection and analysis. We used random-effects meta-analysis to pool eligible surveys and used meta-regression to address our hypothesis that the transgender population size estimate would increase over time. We used subsample and leave-one-out analysis to assess for bias.

Main results. Our meta-regression model, based on 12 surveys covering 2007 to 2015, explained 62.5% of model heterogeneity, with a significant effect for each unit increase in survey year (F = 17.122; df = 1,10; b = 0.026%; P = .002). Extrapolating these results to 2016 suggested a current US population size of 390 adults per 100 000, or almost 1 million adults nationally. This estimate may be more indicative for younger adults, who represented more than 50% of the respondents in our analysis.

   

Meta-Regression Showing the Proportion of Transgender Adults Against Survey Year, Based on Surveys That Categorized Transgender as Gender Identity: United States, 2007–2015

Note. BRFSS = Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System; NCHA = National College Health Assessment; NIS = National Inmate Survey. The 2016 NCHA was omitted as a potential outlier. Data points are scaled, with larger circles indicating smaller standard errors. The dashed lines indicate the 95% confidence interval about the regression line.

   

Proportion of Transgender Adults in Surveys That Categorized Transgender as a Gender Identity: United States, 2007–2016

Note. BRFSS = Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance System; N = total sample size; NCHA = National College Health Assessment; NIS = National Inmate Survey.



Authors’ conclusions. Future national surveys are likely to observe higher numbers of transgender people. The large variety in questions used to ask about transgender identity may account for residual heterogeneity in our models.

Public health implications. Under- or nonrepresentation of transgender individuals in population surveys is a barrier to understanding social determinants and health disparities faced by this population. We recommend using standardized questions to identify respondents with transgender and nonbinary gender identities, which will allow a more accurate population size estimate.