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(08 Nov 2023, 04:55 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]
(06 Nov 2023, 15:35 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]
(06 Nov 2023, 05:56 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04 Mar 2023, 02:33 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]03 Bimbo Fuckpuppet Oblivion_Bell_edit.mp3 (Size: 44.77 MB )
I am not experimenting or just having a trial. Been doing the files on and off for months (though results were not as strong as expected). Also, I didn't find the original post for Bambi_Insomnia. I checked everywhere. I just want to read the description of this file.

Sorry for the delay, I apologize for not linking the original post for Bambi_insomnia,  I did not expect this thread to grow to so many pages.  really just read the script.  I don't believe anyone can listen to a new file one time, not like the implied effects, and still have a super strong reaction.   Still it's fun to pretend😊

Bellmar
(09 Nov 2023, 03:53 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]To my mind it isn't a narrator and a responder replacing my inner monologue, it's me listening in on a conversation.  I was careful to make sure Bambi was never addressed directly, I'm sure I may have missed one here or there, but on the whole the listener could think the conversation was About Bambi, without her being present.  Kind of like a child listening in on its parents talking about it.

I think maybe my choice of the Hanna voice, the one that sounds (to me) as the responder voice in the original files may have been a mistake.   I really liked the back and forth in the ziplocked and total life control doll, or I would have kept it one voice.  That back and forth kept me more engaged and held my focus better.  Being a complete absent minded scatterbrain I need all the focus help I can get.

For the pacing, there is a gap between every voice change that I manually cut, as the length of the pause varies here and there it might be creating what is being perceived as dynamic pacing.  The murfAI voices are set on default (mostly) and per likera's suggestion I changed the tempo of the main tracks to -10%.  so as to not affect the 4hrz beats.

Bell (yes I identify as male fun story behind the online name)

Thank you for your response and having the ability to take positive criticism. 

Maybe invite me to your hypno making process. I might be able to help. I actually have an idea to make a file for removing extreme effects of Bambi conditioning. I wrote my idea before starting the sessions, which I did as a precaution for a situation where I need to escape Bambi but I don't know how.

Pacing was perhaps not the right word for what I wanted to point out. The issue is the tone of the sentences and dialogue. There is no variation there. It sounds like someone is reading a speech but without any punctuation marks. This problem is not eveywhere but it is significant and people who know where to look, will notice it. Even the original file's creator had mentioned somewhere that he had to put extra and double punctuation marks and stuff like that to make it sound realistic. If you want, I can attempt to find out where the file creator wrote this.

Also, those in between the dialogues which says stuff like "do not lose focus" or something similar in a very stern voice is not a good idea. It is distracting and when you tell a person that do not do something, you are challenging that person's subconscious mind to do that (people often don't act upon it through self inhibitions, but it is there).  And the voice sounds like an adult who is insecure about her authority.
(09 Nov 2023, 03:59 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]
(08 Nov 2023, 04:55 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]
(06 Nov 2023, 15:35 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]
(06 Nov 2023, 05:56 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]
(04 Mar 2023, 02:33 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]03 Bimbo Fuckpuppet Oblivion_Bell_edit.mp3 (Size: 44.77 MB )
I am not experimenting or just having a trial. Been doing the files on and off for months (though results were not as strong as expected). Also, I didn't find the original post for Bambi_Insomnia. I checked everywhere. I just want to read the description of this file.

Sorry for the delay, I apologize for not linking the original post for Bambi_insomnia,  I did not expect this thread to grow to so many pages.  really just read the script.  I don't believe anyone can listen to a new file one time, not like the implied effects, and still have a super strong reaction.   Still it's fun to pretend😊

Bellmar

Almost makes sense. Chances are I won't do a file that I read script for with attention. But still, it was made with efforts and very likely contains some good ideas and kinky stuff, so why not? 🤡
(09 Nov 2023, 07:29 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]There is no variation there. It sounds like someone is reading a speech but without any punctuation marks.
Ah, I think finally I understand what you mean. You mean something like "breathing pauses between phrases", right?
That's my main criticism point of the Platinum Puppets series. Yet, many claim that it's exactly what helps them to trance. People are so different...

In some cases it might work even better as it overloads the "buffer". Think of Goddess Gracie (e.g. https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...9#pid26419)

(09 Nov 2023, 07:29 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]Also, those in between the dialogues which says stuff like "do not lose focus" or something similar in a very stern voice is not a good idea.
Yes, this is questionable, but if placed correctly it might have quite an effect. E.g. it can be a punishment reinforcement, it can be a part of fractionation, it can be bringing attention back, it can be a part of a negative trigger, it can mask/hide a suggestion which immediately comes next.
(09 Nov 2023, 03:53 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]Bell (yes I identify as male fun story behind the online name)
Please share, if you do not mind? E.g. in the "Inroduction" subforum? 😊😇
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(09 Nov 2023, 07:29 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]There is no variation there. It sounds like someone is reading a speech but without any punctuation marks.
Ah, I think finally I understand what you mean. You mean
like "breathing pauses between phrases", right?
That's my main criticism point of the Platinum Puppets series. Yet, many claim that it's exactly what helps them to trance. People are so different...

In some cases it might work even better as it overloads the "buffer". Think of Goddess Gracie (e.g. https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...9#pid26419)
 I am not particularly talking about breathing pauses. I am talking about how we modulate our sound while talking (think about how different punctuation marks change the tone of the sentence (punctuation marks are actually made to mark those modulations)). That voice modulation is missing in most parts of Bellmar's files.

Breathing pauses would actually not always be that effective (it would be more tricky to make breathing pauses effective because no one usually likes to hear someone's noisy breaths). The original files actually don't have breathing pauses.  
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(09 Nov 2023, 07:29 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]Also, those in between the dialogues which says stuff like "do not lose focus" or something similar in a very stern voice is not a good idea.
Yes, this is questionable, but if placed correctly it might have quite an effect. E.g. it can be a punishment reinforcement, it can be a part of fractionation, it can be bringing attention back, it can be a part of a negative trigger, it can mask/hide a suggestion which immediately comes next.

I did think of potential uses of that voice (mostly what you mentioned), but the problem is that it isn't going well with the overall tone of the files that are being discussed.
(09 Nov 2023, 14:15 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ] I am not particularly talking about breathing pauses.
(09 Nov 2023, 14:15 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]punctuation marks are actually made to mark those modulations
OK, basically, we are talking about the same.

(09 Nov 2023, 14:15 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]no one usually likes to hear someone's noisy breaths
I did not mean the sound of breathing. I meant usual talking pauses, phrasing, intervals, necessary to take a breath. And yes, intonational changes before commas.
(09 Nov 2023, 11:10 )Like Ra Wrote: [ -> ]
(09 Nov 2023, 03:53 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]Bell (yes I identify as male fun story behind the online name)
Please share, if you do not mind? E.g. in the "Inroduction" subforum? 😊😇

It goes waaaay back to the original everquest MMORPG, I made a troll named "Stinkywind" Apparently it was "offensive" to someone's fragile little mind.  actually that isn't really funny....kind of sad actually.  But anyway the GM changed my name to bellmar while I came up with a new name, so I've been Bellmar online since.  I'm so used to that name that I once worked in a call center and the lady who sat beside me was named Belle, and everytime someone would ask for her I would answer.  

Bell



Bell
(09 Nov 2023, 07:29 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09 Nov 2023, 03:53 )bellmar Wrote: [ -> ]Bell (yes I identify as male fun story behind the online name)

Thank you for your response and having the ability to take positive criticism. 

Maybe invite me to your hypno making process. I might be able to help. I actually have an idea to make a file for removing extreme effects of Bambi conditioning. I wrote my idea before starting the sessions, which I did as a precaution for a situation where I need to escape Bambi but I don't know how.

I'm always game for a team up, but my process is not usual, I basically write the scripts in my head when I drive, I let my inner monologue commune my Bambi inner monologue or as likera puts it his SCM.  and draft it all in my head.   once I have a script in my head I put it directly into murfAI, edit out all the extra "bambi is a good girl" bits, cut out 75% of it which is just bambi being mean to OS, then cut out the redundant parts till I'm between 10-15 minutes run time.  

Once I have the script in my mind  now that I have all the sound effects and static tracks I can get it all edited together in a day or two.  Once I start she won't let me quit until I finish or am exhausted to the point of counter productivity.  That's about as close to a Bambi takeover I get.

A lot of the files I sort of want to do I go blank on, I just read that as my inner Bambi not being interested.  For example, I wanted to do a file that makes bambi obedient and submissive to anyone she finds attractive, but my inner Bambi isn't interested and nothing comes to mind.  I wanted to make one that makes Bambi unable to be anything less than completely honest to her partner, but the words won't come.  With Insomnia_collared I was aiming at a short 5-7 minute file to add a collar that just acts as a trigger to drop into trance when worn, and it blew up into what is it.    Basically I have to be fully engaged with all the bits and bobs floating around my brain in mostly agreement.

Currently the only idea getting any traction in my mind is a file like Puppet strings but for a mental muzzle.  It's feeling like I'm having to force it so I'm just waiting for it to gel together naturally.

Bell
(09 Nov 2023, 14:15 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09 Nov 2023, 07:29 )yourscrumptiousdreamofacookie Wrote: [ -> ]Also, those in between the dialogues which says stuff like "do not lose focus" or something similar in a very stern voice is not a good idea.
Yes, this is questionable, but if placed correctly it might have quite an effect. E.g. it can be a punishment reinforcement, it can be a part of fractionation, it can be bringing attention back, it can be a part of a negative trigger, it can mask/hide a suggestion which immediately comes next.

I did think of potential uses of that voice (mostly what you mentioned), but the problem is that it isn't going well with the overall tone of the files that are being discussed.

That is the "Mean girl Bambi" voice (rachel on angry setting).  it's the last track I add.  I listen to the file and sort of channel my inner bambi, those are the comments she makes. and the only places where the listener is intentionally addressed directly.  

Bell
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