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Like Ra Wrote:princesitanatty Wrote:Which one in the positive feminization thread has an emasculating message and a male voice? https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...0#pid44820
https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...9#pid44649
https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...1#pid36051
I've heard them. They are too soft and shallow for my taste, they are just about external issues like appearance and clothes and movements. I want suggestions about deeper (internal, mental) issues like sexual desires and gender identity. Is there something like this?
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Do u think the demand for derogatory sissy Hypnos is related to our culture's misoginy and homophobia, or to other issues?
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(16 Sep 2020, 21:04 )princesitanatty Wrote: Do u think the demand for derogatory sissy Hypnos is related to our culture's misoginy and homophobia, or to other issues? I think it's related to not willing to be responsible for own actions.
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(16 Sep 2020, 21:51 )Like Ra Wrote: (16 Sep 2020, 21:04 )princesitanatty Wrote: Do u think the demand for derogatory sissy Hypnos is related to our culture's misoginy and homophobia, or to other issues? I think it's related to not willing to be responsible for own actions.
I guess that desire might explain the demand for a dominant figure and a lack of freedom to reject his/her orders, but why the demand for a derogatory stance, specifically? It does not affect the responsibility issue, it seems.
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(17 Sep 2020, 01:10 )princesitanatty Wrote: why the demand for a derogatory stance, specifically? That really puzzles me as well. This is something I avoid completely.
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(17 Sep 2020, 01:36 )Like Ra Wrote: (17 Sep 2020, 01:10 )princesitanatty Wrote: why the demand for a derogatory stance, specifically? That really puzzles me as well. This is something I avoid completely. My hypothesis is that our culture is misogynic and homophobic. Pavlovian conditioning may make the rest.
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(17 Sep 2020, 01:51 )princesitanatty Wrote: My hypothesis is that our culture is misogynic and homophobic. Homophobic - yes. Misogynic? I do not think so. And it does not explain the desire to be humiliated anyway. OTOH, being humiliated is like being praised - both are related to our self-importance and indulgence. And both are to be fight with.
What brings us to Carlos Castaneda...
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Like Ra Wrote:princesitanatty Wrote:My hypothesis is that our culture is misogynic and homophobic. Homophobic - yes. Misogynic? I do not think so. And it does not explain the desire to be humiliated anyway. OTOH, being humiliated is like being praised - both are related to our self-importance and indulgence. And both are to be fight with.
What brings us to Carlos Castaneda... Do you think that our culture does not have stereotypes of dumb bimbos? Do you think that those stereotypes are not misogynist?
The (hypothetical) explanation refers to pavlovian conditioning: pairing two (perceived or imagined) stimuli transfers some (reinforcing, aversive) properties from one stimulus to the other. Pairing a negative stereotype (bimbo, faggot) with a sexualized stimulus (crossdressing) causes that the negative stereotype becomes sexually arousing for some people.
I didn't understand the reference to Castaneda.
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(17 Sep 2020, 04:08 )princesitanatty Wrote: Do you think that our culture does not have stereotypes of dumb bimbos? Do you think that those stereotypes are not misogynist? Dumbness does not have gender, race, religion or political preference 😁
(17 Sep 2020, 04:08 )princesitanatty Wrote: Pairing a negative stereotype (bimbo, faggot) with a sexualized stimulus (crossdressing) causes that the negative stereotype becomes sexually arousing for some people. OK, you explained how it might work. But the question is why someone would want that conditioning.
(17 Sep 2020, 04:08 )princesitanatty Wrote: I didn't understand the reference to Castaneda. It's about the "indulgence", when people get caught in the vicious circle of either having a pleasure or suffer, and do not make any intentional efforts to get out of such circles.
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Like Ra Wrote:princesitanatty Wrote:Do you think that our culture does not have stereotypes of dumb bimbos? Do you think that those stereotypes are not misogynist? Dumbness does not have gender, race, religion or political preference 😁
princesitanatty Wrote:Pairing a negative stereotype (bimbo, faggot) with a sexualized stimulus (crossdressing) causes that the negative stereotype becomes sexually arousing for some people. OK, you explained how it might work. But the question is why someone would want that conditioning.
princesitanatty Wrote:I didn't understand the reference to Castaneda. It's about the "indulgence", when people get caught in the vicious circle of either having a pleasure or suffer, and do not make any intentional efforts to get out of such circles. Dumbness can appear anywhere, but stereotypes are biased. Each culture has several stereotypes about different groups and features.
It seems you misunderstood the hypothesis. Conditioning does not need to be wanted. If a person is exposed to the pairing of stimuli, then conditioning occurs. Not all people is exposed to the same pairings.
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