General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread

[no smile]

I can also understand you frustration when it comes to how people perceive others in public and label others thereafter, I don't personally have anything against it, I like that there are certain "norms" for boy or girls. If everything is the same and ebing watered out, things will get boring very fast in my opinion 😁

 Well, I see these "noms" much more flattening and boring as it tends to allow only 3 kinds while there is so much in the infinity of style/gender/...
But norms are comfortable as it allow to sort things. (And I'm completely following them as I'm quite classy in fashion term so...)

[gunz]

I can also understand you frustration when it comes to how people perceive others in public and label others thereafter, I don't personally have anything against it, I like that there are certain "norms" for boy or girls. If everything is the same and ebing watered out, things will get boring very fast in my opinion 😁

 Well, I see these "noms" much more flattening and boring as it tends to allow only 3 kinds while there is so much in the infinity of style/gender/...
But norms are comfortable as it allow to sort things.  (And I'm completely following them as I'm quite classy in fashion term so...)

Yea i guess. But i still am a very logical person who goes after facts, research instead of personal opinion. So If i would be absolutely real with myself ther eare only 3 genders. Sexuality is something completely different. You have Male, Female, and Intersex wich is a very rare medical condition. Trans is just a word for those who are in a phase changing from one to the other. But hey I'm not hating ppl who say they are Genderfluid or whatever people say today. But the fact is that they are wrong. And please do not confuse Style, sexual preference etc for gender. So many ppl I've had this discussion with before takes everything out of context and the discussion/talk just goes haywire haha.

[Like Ra]

Okay so there are several things that is wrong information here now that I've read through it. Here is a proper list on what HRT (Hormone Replacement Treatment) actually does

That begs a question (I aeady asked it a couple of pages back) - what is the point in HRT if it does not bring you any closer to being (or looking like) a woman and destroys the body (including those advantages that mens body have) apart from chemical castration to convince the doctors that you are serious about SRS?

[vanessa_fetish]

There's been evidence that those who take anti-adrogens (testosterone blockers/chemical castration) or have an orchidectomy will have hair loss on the head at least slowed down. There is male pattern baldness on both sides of my family, and I'm the only one to have a full head of hair at soon to be 52 (the 28th). When I talked to my endo, he indicated it was the androcur along with the estrogen.

[gunz]

There's been evidence that those who take anti-adrogens (testosterone blockers/chemical castration) or have an orchidectomy will have hair loss on the head at least slowed down. There is male pattern baldness on both sides of my family, and I'm the only one to have a full head of hair at soon to be 52 (the 28th). When I talked to my endo, he indicated it was the androcur along with the estrogen.

Yes the HRT will slow down hairloss significally. but it wont "stop" it 😊

[gunz]

Okay so there are several things that is wrong information here now that I've read through it. Here is a proper list on what HRT (Hormone Replacement Treatment) actually does

That begs a question (I aeady asked it a couple of pages back) - what is the point in HRT if it does not bring you any closer to being (or looking like) a woman and destroys the body (including thoese advantages that mens body have) apart from chemical castration to convince the doctors that you are serious about SRS?

Well it does certainly bring you closer to becoming a woman. The body changes aswell as the mind. Aswell as chemically with HRT u are a woman when u look at the two main hormones Testosterone and Estrogen.  And with a few estetically operations to help it's perfect 😊 I'm not destroying anything either. It's not destroying something if I want to do it myself. It's like saying Splitting the tongue is self mutilation. but how can it be mutilation when it's done by his/her own free will, right? 😁 
In short terms. HRT gives many differences to the body and does change u as close it's possible to a woman. sur

[Like Ra]

 And with a few estetically operations to help it's perfect

That's my point! From the timelines I saw that HRT is nothing compared to the plastic surgery 😁 In other words, pretty much no visible changes until the surgery part. Ans based on the photos you posted you need neither HRT no surgery.

[gunz]

 And with a few estetically operations to help it's perfect

That's my point! From the timelines I saw that HRT is nothing compared to the plastic surgery 😁 In other words, pretty much no visible changes until the surgery part. Ans based on the photos you posted you need neither HRT no surgery.

Operation only gives u boobs and/or a vagina. It does nothing else. Cant change the mental with that. It does not change the Fat redistribution that does give a BIG visual difference when the HRT has done it's full work. Mind it takes around one full year. 12months for every effect to be more or less complete. Same goes for the smaller changes to your face. And u cannot stop balding with an operation, sure u can operate some back in but u will still be balding after Xamount of years xD So saying HRT does litterly "nothing" is a big fat lie dude 😁

But thanks for saying i dont look like i need any of it. I think, feel and know i want and need it. I guess I have another point of view when i have reasearched and learnt everything it does down to the smallest thing. And if it helps me become more like a woman, u can be dammed sure I will do it 😁 Still not sure if im gonna do the "final" operation though haha

[Like Ra]

Operation only gives u boobs and/or a vagina.

Those two are not much important, especially under the clothes. I mean facial feminization surgery.

Cant change the mental with that.

The mental difference between men and women are greatly exaggerated. There is much more difference between individual people, than between men and women in general. Men can be emotional and emphatic, and women can be thinking (not emotion) driven, vicious, cruel, and non caring.

It does not change the Fat redistribution that does give a BIG visual difference when the HRT has done it's full work.

You said, that waist will not be reduced, so there is not much redistribution, but rather adding to other places as well. For skinny person that does not apply.

Same goes for the smaller changes to your face.

True, it "should" become softer and rounder. But some timelines show no difference at all. Regardless weight. For overweight persons HRT makes no difference at all. Also for some types of skinny ones.

And u cannot stop balding with an operation, sure u can operate some back in but u will still be balding after Xamount of years

As you said, no hair will be recovered, but the baldness will be slowed down. OK, one positive factor 😉

And if it helps me become more like a woman, u can be dammed sure I will do it

Yes, HRT works more psychologically (in terms "I'm doing something to become more female", what "produces" more "happiness"), and oficially (because without HRT doctors will not do anything else). Not sure about the documents, though.

[gunz]

Operation only gives u boobs and/or a vagina.

Those two are not much important, especially under the clothes. I mean facial feminization surgery.

-Facial feminization surgery is often only grinding down adams apple for those who have big apples, maybe a small nosejob due to insecurities and also some get the bone behind the eyebrow grinded down due to many men having a very neandertall bone structure. If u look a woman from the side and a man from the side u can clearly see a bump on the guys on the eyebrows before it goes in to the eyes. on females there is no bump there at all.

Cant change the mental with that.

The mental difference between men and women are greatly exaggerated. There is much more difference between individual people, than between men and women in general. Men can be emotional and emphatic, and women can be thinking (not emotion) driven, vicious, cruel, and non caring.

-Sure men can be enphatic and woman can be cruel. I mean in the way we think. It's hard to explain but when u go through it's a clear difference. umm It's like where a guy has one way to get from A to B and a girl uses another path from A to B. Or for example when we look at a dress in a store window. A guy might think. That would look good on my GF. nothing much else goes behind that thought, where as a girl probably has a lot more thoughts about the dress, like that color would match my heels well and would be perfect for this and that events. and it should compliment my forms too. Maybe a bad example but there is clear differences. But hard to get into the mindset about the whole ordeal if u are not a transperson who is going through it, and not knowing every little detail about the entire process 😊

It does not change the Fat redistribution that does give a BIG visual difference when the HRT has done it's full work.

You said, that waist will not be reduced, so there is not much redistribution, but rather adding to other places as well. For skinny person that does not apply.
and non caring.

-SO u think all fat on a guy is around the belly area? HAHA 😁 sorry but that i find funny. Sure it might be an area that often has more than others but in general men have a very even fat distribution as where women have more in the thighs, ass, and upper arms, and sometimes breast area. So when fat redistributes of course u might loose some from the belly. But if u are a fat dude, and do not do anything to try to change that, U will still be a fat woman afterward. It wont magically just remove ALL the fat around the stomach and put it in the ass xD That's what operations can do if u wish for something like that. So if u look at any MtF person from start to finish you will see a big difference unless the person is dangerously overweight or underweight, and in the EU u arnt even allowed on HRT if you are very overweight or underweight due to other issues that might occur. So problems connected to that is what u often see from the US. Or ppl that started HRT when being more or less close to a normal BMI then got fat due to the pills. A woman puts on weight A LOT faster than guys.

Same goes for the smaller changes to your face.

True, it "should" become softer and rounder. But some timelines show no difference at all. Regardless weight. For overweight persons HRT makes no difference at all. Also for some types of skinny ones.

- the facial changes happens regardless. But again it's often up to luck and genetics as with everything else. Not all Biological woman has perfect hourglass forms and a "perfect" face xD 

And u cannot stop balding with an operation, sure u can operate some back in but u will still be balding after Xamount of years

As you said, no hair will be recovered, but the baldness will be slowed down. OK, one positive factor 😉

- allready mention so many other positive and noticable effects 😉 But i know it's hard to get into it when it's something that is not for you 😊 

And if it helps me become more like a woman, u can be dammed sure I will do it

Yes, HRT works more psychologically (in terms "I'm doing something to become more female", what "produces" more "happiness"), and oficially (because without HRT doctors will not do anything else). Not sure about the documents, though.

- It works for body and mind. simple fact even if u belive otherwise. There will be big differences from person to person, often it depends again on genetics and what u look like when u start HRT.
But there is always big differences from start to finish.
I'm sorry this isnt the wonderpill/s for stomach fat that it seems u focus on. This is not for that but for something completely different 😁