+- Like Ra's Naughty Forum (https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb)
+-- Forum: Fetishes, obsessions, traits, features, peculiarities (https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Forum-Fetishes-obsessions-traits-features-peculiarities)
+--- Forum: Hypnosis and Hypno-fetish (https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Forum-Hypnosis-and-Hypno-fetish)
+---- Forum: Bambi Sleep Cult (https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Forum-Bambi-Sleep-Cult)
+---- Thread: Bambi Sleep stuff (/Thread-Bambi-Sleep-stuff)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160
161
162
163
164
165
166
167
168
169
170
171
172
173
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Ellielli - 23 Jul 2023
(23 Jul 2023, 17:22 )Like Ra Wrote:(22 Jul 2023, 20:57 )slaanesh555 Wrote: Well i can watch them, may be you need to be logged with your account?Apparently, they can be viewed from France only.
I can see in the UK
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 23 Jul 2023
So, it can be seen from FR, UK, US, but not from NL.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 25 Jul 2023
(25 Jul 2023, 18:38 )MilKul Wrote: Today after BS session ... I get sick, usual flu or something
Wow! Bambi causes flu! Bambi is dangerous! đ
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 26 Jul 2023
(26 Jul 2023, 04:19 )MilKul Wrote: Absolutely! Thinking about making a thread on Reddit "DO NOT LISTEN TO BAMBI SLEEP IT WILL LITERALLY KILL YOU IN WEEK"I updated your post with the full "Bambi Sleep" instead of just BS, so it's properly indexed by Google and ripped by GPT training bots. As a result, it will be propagated to all AI knowledge bases, and everybody in the world will know the actual danger of Bambi Sleep! đ
đ€Ł
Offtopic. Just realised, that the word "world" can also be written as wo
d! đŹ
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 27 Jul 2023
Bambi Sleep in "The Face"
https://theface.com/life/erotic-hypnosis-sex-relationships-porn-stigma-safety
Erotic hypnosis: âItâs just tying someone up without ropeâ
Using hypnosis to intensify sexual experiences is a fairly niche and satisfying practice â when done safely and, of course, consensually. So why is it banned on so many porn sites?
Every so often, a niche sexual practice becomes the online discourse du jour. It explodes into the mainstream in such a way as to bewilder, humour, or even horrify those whoâve never come across it before.
In recent months, our collective timelines (well, mine, at least) have been introduced to the latex vacuum cube, the concept of a praise kink, and, most divisively, erotic hypnosis. For those whose only experience with hypnosis is from 2009 when Derren Brown went on national TV to convince the public heâd stuck them into their chairs, it may be difficult to fathom how the practice can be eroticised. Maybe youâre picturing some balding guy swaying a pocket watch in a fedora and nothing else. Or you might even be imagining Brown on the telly, in some kind of sexy outfit (please donât).
Whatever erotic hypnosis looks like, the practice is at least exactly what it sounds like: the use of hypnosis to intensify sexual experiences, usually in a BDSM context. Essentially, if you thought your brain was the least sexy part of your body, think again.
As per practitioner Neil the Erotic Hypnotist, erotic hypnosis, also known as hypnokink, can be used to enhance sensations, like pain or pleasure, or create ones that arenât there, to make fantasy scenes feel real, or as part of consensual non-consent (CNC) play by controlling or immobilising the subject (within certain limits). He says the draws of the practice include increased sensitivity during sexual encounters, longer and more intense orgasms, a general interest in BDSM, or being turned on by the idea of being controlled or even âmanipulatedâ.
The latter is what drew 30-year-old Eden*, who enjoys being âgaslit, tricked, teased, and taken advantage ofâ, to hypno CNC. âItâs like flirting, arousal, and mental bondage mixed with intense sexual fantasies and psychological manipulation,â they explain. âYou can be pushed into a dream-like world where the hypnotist has full control over what you think and feel.â They admit that while this might sound like âa terrifying ideaâ, when itâs done well, itâs like âa heightened fantastical reality that you share with another personâ.
Eden compares it to bondage. âOnce someone has you genuinely tied up, youâre totally at their mercy. This is just tying someone up without rope.â
Edenâs been fascinated by the idea of being put to sleep ever since they can remember. They recall watching TV tropes such as being hit with tranquiliser darts, or kidnapped using a chloroform rag, and feeling a particular intensity as the character helplessly slips out of consciousness.
âIâd draw doodles of comics, imagine myself getting captured, struggling against some evil mastermind, and falling into some elaborate trap that put me to sleep, like a room filled with sleeping gas,â they tell me. âI felt weird and embarrassed about it, but as I grew up, I started recognising that same feeling in bondage, submission, and hypnosis.â
Now, they add, âit also helps me relax and trust people more; itâs sort of like therapyâ.
âHypnokink content is subject to restrictions on several porn sites (hence the existence of the term âmind fuckâ, which is used on porn sites to get around censorship)â
If your interest is piqued, there are several ways to conduct erotic hypnosis: in-person with a qualified hypnotist, at home with an IRL or virtual partner, or alone with audio or video recordings. A professional session will be safer and may help you enter a deeper trance, but each technique largely works in the same way.
First, thereâs guided meditation to induce a state of relaxation, followed by erotic hypnosis triggers to induce a trance. Then, once the subjectâs in a deeper state of hypnosis, they can be given suggestions or commands. These suggestions can either take effect during the trance, or be post-hypnotic, meaning theyâll be triggered in regular life by certain actions or phrases.
Example commands from Neilâs sessions include: every time he holds the subjectâs wrist, they feel an orgasm for as long as heâs holding it (vibe); when he touches their forehead and says âstatueâ, they become, you guessed it, a poseable statue; and when he says the word âhornyâ followed by a number between 0 and 10, the subject becomes aroused according to that number, with 10 being âthe most aroused theyâve ever beenâ.
However, according to erotic hypnotist Miss Sara, this wonât work unless youâre open to it in the first place â for example, you wouldnât be able to hypnotise someone off guard, if you didnât know them first. âThe amount of influence IÂ have is related to how willing the subject is to accept the suggestions and how deeply they want to allow themselves to sink,â she explains. âA lot of that involves roleplay and participants who are very eager to go into trance. You canât hypnotise someone who doesnât want to be hypnotised.â
Although that may sound relatively harmless, or even just totally unbelievable, erotic hypnosis is actually highly stigmatised, even in the kink world. Hypnokink content is subject to restrictions on several porn sites (hence the existence of the term âmind fuckâ, which is used on porn sites to get around hypnokink censorship), thus making life difficult for its creators. Thereâs also a widespread fear that the practice is inherently dangerous, as well as easy to abuse.
This is where the aforementioned discourse comes in. A recent BuzzFeed News exposĂ© alleged that a series of hypnokink recordings, known as Bambi Sleep, were used by a self-described erotic hypnotist, James*, to âbrainwashâ subjects in the US and force them to partake in sexual acts they didnât consent to. The article contains distressing testimonies from victims about being sexually assaulted while in a state of trance (theyâd consented to be hypnotised but not to sex or sexual touch), and being forced to listen to the Bambi Sleep tapes for hours at a time.
The recordings, which are available for free on YouTube, aim to âfeminiseâ or âsissifyâ the listener into becoming a âsexy bimbo girlâ (also called bimbofication). Theyâre considered dangerous because theyâre allegedly designed to be forgotten, making the subject less able to resist triggers outside of a trance. They also contain sexually explicit, agency-eroding content, and are so contentious that discussion about them is banned from the 126k-strong r/EroticHypnosis subreddit.
While this horrified BuzzFeed readers, it also divided them. Many sex workers and erotic hypnosis practitioners described the piece
Source: https://twitter.com/MistressSnowPhD/status/1649103429577441280
as âirresponsible and anti-kinkâ, criticising it for conflating kink and abuse,
Source: https://twitter.com/jessicavanmeir/status/1648882742644318209
and claiming that while a tool like Bambi Sleep âmay make someone more vulnerable to an abuser, the [audio] files themselves canât change someone into something theyâre notâ.
Source: https://twitter.com/DominaSnow/status/1648855810976391169
There were also concerns that the headline (âAfter these people tried erotic hypnosis, they couldnât recognise themselvesâ) may heighten the taboo a
eady surrounding the practice, particularly among those outside of the kink community.Source: https://twitter.com/jessicavanmeir/status/1648861269913481216
âItâs important to make the distinction between nefarious actors â who arenât necessarily professional hypnotists â and a tool that can, and typically is, used for safe, consensual kink playâ
As someone whoâs written about erotic hypnosis in the past, IÂ was similarly critical of the framing of the story, and particularly the sensationalist headline. The BuzzFeed article is nuanced and harrowing, but what it describes is abuse using multiple tools: erotic hypnosis, yes, but also forced drug-taking and electrocution to enact emotional, physical, and sexual violence on unsuspecting, kink-curious people.
Source: https://twitter.com/britdawson/status/1648951656527060992
Thatâs not to say erotic hypnosis or even regular hypnosis canât be abused (in fact, it famously has been, as have BDSM dynamics in general), but itâs important to make the distinction between nefarious actors â who arenât necessarily professional hypnotists â and a tool that can, and typically is, used for safe, consensual kink play. Framing it otherwise just serves to stigmatise and villainise non-traditional sexual practices and those who engage in them.
âWith the use of hypnosis or without, James would still be an abuser; he abused all of us in and out of trance,â Ava*, one of the survivors from the BuzzFeed piece, tells me. âI do, however, think people should be aware of the safety issues involving the Bambi Sleep files specifically.â Avaâs even created a document detailing all their unsafe suggestions and triggers.
To get around this, 25-year-old Rebecca*, who listens to the Bambi Sleep tapes every night, has her boyfriend edit them to remove potentially harmful parts, including negative feeling suggestions. With the vetted recordings, Rebecca says she âgets to be a pure, sexual being without worldly cares and [her] usual anxietiesâ. âMy Bambi traits are now a part of Rebecca,â she continues. âI dress better at work, I exercise more and eat better, and my body positivity is as high as itâs ever been. I feel like a free spirit.â
Thereâs a whole other articleâs worth to unpack when it comes to Bambi Sleepâs theme, but if curated, used mindfully, and with someone you trust, like how Rebecca uses it, erotic hypnosis itself is safe. âItâs when you put something that involves the power of suggestion into the hands of someone who has the intent to harm and manipulate, and that person finds victims who are vulnerable and often masochistic, that hypnosis can be dangerous,â says Mistress Sara. âBut you could say that about anything.â
Even though any dom-sub relationships, or any relationships for that matter, could run the horrible risk of becoming abusive, Neil believes erotic hypnosis is particularly stigmatised because itâs so misunderstood. This, he says, is âmostly due to media portrayals, where itâs depicted as a form of mind control, with the subjects unable to resist the hypnotistâs commandsâ. So, he continues, âto many people, hypnosis is the antithesis of consent, hence itâs to be shunnedâ.
To combat stigma and make the erotic hypnosis community as safe as it can be, Neil encourages practitioners to share best practices on hypnosis forums, as well as to recommend trustworthy hypnotists and warn others away from abusive ones, as Ava and the other survivors have worked to do. And, despite all they went through, Ava still practises erotic hypnosis â though not with the Bambi Sleep files â and doesnât want their experience to âdemoniseâ the practice, which they think is âsuper hot and makes every other kink more fun to exploreâ.
Ultimately, as Miss Sara concludes: âPeople think that hypnosis must be some form of magic or manipulation. They assume that, if hypnosis is real, anyone can be put into a trance with a snap of the fingers, and thatâs simply not true. Hypnosis isnât magic, and it isnât mind control. Anything can be harmful if itâs in the wrong hands.â
*Names have been changed
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - katplanchette - 27 Jul 2023
(27 Jul 2023, 21:28 )Like Ra Wrote: Bambi Sleep in "The Face"
I liked and hated this one.
1. She listed a phrase we use to bypass censorship by the algorithm on porn sites in a part of the article addressing topic censorship. Listing out a phrase we use to bypass censorship just makes it easier for sites to update their banned keywords/censor us? Like sooo many pro-sw/kink journalists do this w/diff topics, and it's rly frustrating cuz it just means more banned words will ofc be added to diff sites faster and everyone will need to search harder for porn with weirder algo-speak code. This also means old posts with those tags are at risk of being deleted n lost forever, and creators can face strikes/removal from sites based off of old posts/accepted tags that are no longer allowed.Â
2. Also in reference to the question in the article about why hypno kink is banned on porn sites: there isn't any mention of the digital/financial discrimination and censorship by websites/payment processors/the banking system as a whole that sex workers (& also peeps who consume porn) deal with which causes issues that affect many creators/niche kinks including hypno kink. I think misconceptions about hypnosis/how hypnosis is portrayed is certainly an issue because it leads to topic bans based off a misconception about the consent practices within the kink. With that said, I also think that it distracts from the main issue: websites/banks/payment processors are being allowed to discriminate against sex workers/censor topics based off their own arbitrary idea of morality, which is often just rooted in their desire to profit no matter what. What even happens when the morality of a subject is based on how profitable it is?Â
These payment processors/websites/banks may feel justified to ban a topic based off the misinformation they have absorbed about it and that's terrifying because it means any subject/industry is at risk of facing censorship or being discriminated against if they think it has become "high risk" and could affect their profits. The issue of censorship online in sex work/porn can't properly be covered unless this larger issue is also addressed. It's important to cover this topic when the subject of censorship in porn comes up to help spread awareness about the issue to people who may otherwise be unaware this problem exists. SW have been talking about this issue for yearsss but no one seems to rly care as long as it's easier to just blame lifestyles of peeps who consume porn of any kink/creators/headlines/conventions/public perception of *insert any from a list of kinks*
For people who don't think this is an issue this attitude ripples out into other things for ex Budweiser and target both had some shit responses during pride in regard to their support of queer/trans peeps during controversy and the less we critique the attitudes above/responses the more acceptable it is to use profits as incentive to censor/pull support some people's lifestyles/identities/kinks and to blame the very people or things being censored because they aren't considered moral to other groups or for being different/being hard to digest/whatever shitty thing. Play between consenting adults shouldn't have to be palatable to the masses to avoid censorship.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 29 Jul 2023
I moved the AI/GPT script posts to this thread: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showthread.php?tid=3884
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - slaanesh555 - 30 Jul 2023
Here there is a link to "bambi lite" and "bambi less lite"
They delete the part where bambi is told to feel anxiety, bad girl and so on. I really like them, it's more safe.
I prefer the "less lite", because the lite deletes also everything about collar, needles and so.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BambiSleep/comments/15bkmfy/bambilesslite_update_and_random_playlist_generator/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=1
Bambi less lite :
https://drive.google.com/drive/mobile/folders/1NyWJFG49tMdUxpvdEA55EDnIMxRVcRxS
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - lurker - 30 Jul 2023
This is what happens when the original creator waits too long between files. Endless permutations.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 30 Jul 2023
(30 Jul 2023, 00:34 )slaanesh555 Wrote: Here there is a link to "bambi lite" and "bambi less lite"What is the difference between "lite" and "less lite" : https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Bambi-Sleep-stuff?pid=67856#pid67856