Tier / Iceberg chart by creator

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I've seen some icebergs on 4chan /hypno/. But... What are we measuring exactly? Icebergs/pyramides are about hierarchy of levels versus "population". I do not see such clear dependency or hierarchy in hypno. The most popular stuff is Bambi, and the most jump straight into it. Almost nobody starts with the "alphabet" or "the vanilla basics". Bambi is beyond any competition. It's free, modular, short, accessible, and has a huge "client base". There is no one single "mountain top" above Bambi. It can be bimbofication, feminization, sissification, dollification, objectivisation, etc.

The most pirated was Samantha Bandler.

The most effective and the scariest - very individual.

So... I'm not sure if icebergs have any sensible meanings in hypno. @princesitanatty tried to create a system/hierarchy/classification of hypno stuff, but it turned out to be rather impossible.

...  A good hypnotist will try to make suggestions that are not too extreme for their subject. Encoutering a suggestion, that the suject rejects, can cause the trance state to end. ...

Some do that, others go off the deep end (a good example Belyaev/PigGirl anal-pig-brainwashing overload) making some of the early parts of the file seem less extreme & more "palatable" for the listener.  I would never go to those extremes (& could not physiologically & the extreme for all play is severe danger to your health, but can be a fantasy for some). The suggestions later in the file make the suggestions at the beginning seem quite tame. If the file were taken earnestly at face value with "all care abandoned", pretty dangerous.

Others use similar techniques using trigger words which are intended to be offensive, derogatory or humiliating, wearing down the shock effects of the terms (causing a "So what? I don't care what you call this, I enjoy and embrace it" effect). 'Tists are all over the place with this stuff. Some are very consoling, good-hearted and gentle with the listener, others the opposite. A few don't really tell you what they are up to (though you can usually figure it out listening in "aware mode").

Well-said and a likely better description of another reason for the exercise.  The file you reference here, the 'queballs' series, etc - I'm down with my bimbo self but destroying my self-worth or base decency are not boundaries I'm interested in approaching.  Identifying those - not yucking anyone who likes that yum - I think would be valuable.  One could say, too, that we could achieve the result by reading scripts, but I would rather not, and enjoy maybe a little bit of poison / unexpected in my CNC.  Taking a different approach that maybe this is an existing whell that does not need invention:  Is there some existing list of l'extreme?

I've seen some icebergs on 4chan /hypno/. But... What are we measuring exactly? Icebergs/pyramides are about hierarchy of levels versus "population". I do not see such clear dependency or hierarchy in hypno. The most popular stuff is Bambi, and the most jump straight into it. Almost nobody starts with the "alphabet" or "the vanilla basics". Bambi is beyond any competition. It's free, modular, short, accessible, and has a huge "client base".  There is no one single "mountain top" above Bambi. It can be bimbofication, feminization, sissification, dollification, objectivisation, etc.

The most pirated was Samantha Bandler.

The most effective and the scariest - very individual.

So... I'm not sure if icebergs have any sensible meanings in hypno. @princesitanatty tried to create a system/hierarchy/classification of hypno stuff, but it turned out to be rather impossible.

Absolutely valid.  I'm thinking there's value to the exercise on both axes.  

I think components of this are spread throughout my responses to date so it would be valuable to collate here:  

Exercise:  >=10 participants who would provide a numerical value of their subjective opinion of the work in general of a list of "artists" in the space along the following rough axis:  

Examples / Rough categories:  

5:  Purposefully and stated wants to mentally damage someone.  Child porn / beastiality / red room / serbian movie shit.  From looking at forum responses (not here per se) there is absolutely an audience for this.  If someone will pay then someone will create.  No judgement.  
4:  Stated unethical.  Challenging.  Known cases of fucking people up.  Also includes findom.  
3:  Consentually unethical.  Typically very sexually explicit, visceral, and intent to leave triggers or tripwires in the psyche - but not to the extreme life-destroying extreme of say, taking your pants off in a board meeting.  My model here is tomtame (for the record I'm all the way in)   BarbaCojePutitas' would for me be somewhere betw 2-3
2:  Beyond basic, true hypnotic techniques, inductions, tools - let you taste some of the true benefits, feelings, etc but also some of the risks and to get a taste of how you can be fucked with.  
1:  Novelty.  Appetite whetter.  Primer.  

Category notes:  

1.  Difference between 5 and 4 above would be as Iniga described:  5 is a razor blade in the apple.  Unless you otherwise knew, by the time you learn you're over the falls.  4 is honest and forthcoming, if not less potentially extreme as 5.  
2.  Consider 3+ as definitely having mechanisms to attempt to draw you in further.  Level2:  Potentially.  

"Voting":  anyone who wants to participate private message me their sequential answers.  Send me an email j0cst4@proton.me (alpha though) by whatever means, name, email address you prefer.  Note if you'd prefer to keep your name out off your vote.  I think this is safer than a google doc someone could delete, stuff ballots, etc.  Once I received 9 responses in addition to my own I would publish the results.  Super lightweight so doesn't have to end, too - if I keep getting answers and send out a refresh monthly, biweekly whatever that's fine.  

Expected value of the exercise on completion:  

1.  Quick at a glance reference for 'If you like this / these, also consider...'
2.  Interesting to see where we may have a lot of variance in the responses - some will likely be 80%+ similarly rated, maybe some have variations between 1 and 5!  Maybe most of them do!  There's insight in learning if we mostly consider them similarly too.  I understand here despite forum pseudontymity people may be sensitive about sharing their ranges - hence perfectly fine with accepting an alias, not publishing your name, etc.  Without seeing results I would guess that if we did the exercise we might be surprised that we're pretty aligned on some, pretty all over the map on others.  Those 'all over the map' ones would be interesting to dive deeper into too, at least to me.  
3.  A valuable 'heat map' of where people think the landmines are in the files.  Some may be attracted, others repelled to the list:  all good.  
4.  A quick reference of 'if you like these artists you may likely like' - that could lead to more forum discussions, questions, retroshare queue rankings, etc.  😉

What this is NOT:  

1.  Scientifically, law enforcement, governmentally driven in any way
2.  Any kind of attempt to define a canonical kingdom/phylum/class/order/family/genus/species of this stuff.  
3.  Intended to follow any rigorous statistical survey methodologies or standards.  Quick.  Dirty.  Intended to be 'fun'.  If it would give you anxiety then there are many more threads in the forum.

WTF, I went ahead and created it.  

Notes:  

1.  I am standing on the shoulders of giants.  You all are intimately familiar with these files, artists, the topic, the space, etc.  This list is 1.0 based on the files I've managed to scrabble together and absolutely lacks insight into who was a one-off that really doesn't need to be on the list, multiple names that are the same person, etc.  If any of you kind souls would be willing to share that info to help me clean up the list - awesome.  By that same token - I'm enthralled, excited and all-in, and certainly did not mean to offend if there are any major names that should be on the list, aren't, aren't spelled correctly, etc.  Similarly I would welcome any opinions on how to slice the bambis.  

So the exercise would be giving me a number from 1-5 for any of the artists in this list.  Don't know some don't score them.  Doesn't have to be complete:  

   

major names that should be on the list

These creators should be on the list. The first group only does audio (that I'm aware of), where the second group does both audio and videos or just videos. If I mention a track or series by someone's name, it's just to point anyone unfamiliar with that creator to the reason I warranted being on a list. Anyway, in no particular order:

The Secret Subject (Fractionation files)
Jack Drago (Alters series)
Porn Addict Brainwash Program (Pornstar Transformation Program, with its subtlety, logic, and the narrator's questions and points hitting me in the feels)
kinkyshibby
Vive (the Intellectual Starvation file was genius)
slutinmyhead
Goddess Gracie (Logic of Limp series)


Neural Nets & Pretty Patterns
Neon Hypno (Street Whore is a perfect video)
Miss Lethe
The Hypno Oasis (Occult-y feel)
Gooner Audio Labs
throweth (Cognitive Beta Therapy series)
Quakkibabii
Pinklily666
notsoftforwork

There are some I'm forgetting, but I have to run, which looks weird me saying that right before everything below. I had written the below first, but thought the response flowed better in this order.

As much as I like making lists, I do see issues, both real and potential, with this project that will either lead to us abandoning it, or giving birth to a monster.

I was glad to see Mind Mistress on the list. Her "Smoking Freedom" was one of the first hypno files I bought. Spoiler alert, she has a huge smoking fetish and the freedom mentioned in the title is freedom TO smoke, not FROM smoke, which she is clear about. I mean, she not only has erotic stories about smoking, but also instructions on how to become addicted to cigarettes. I've quit smoking 7-8 times. Probably two of my relapses were partially thanks to her site/files.

My question is does she get a 5 because her files can potentially influence people to adopt a life-long addiction to a substance? Does her admission of having that fetish exacerbate that number? Is the number mitigated by her warnings?

Or Jack Drago with his "Alters" series? He's helping the listener manifest an alternate personality in the form of an inner demon, which gains power and could potentially take over. So where does "Demonic Possession" fall on the 1-5 scale and do we accept the opinions of Atheists who might not think anything of it because their position rests on a spaghetti monster not existing to create said demons in the first place?

Food for thought.