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05 Apr 2022, 11:01
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(05 Apr 2022, 03:54 )shinybambi Wrote: Now, speaking of proofs, you didn't provide any either. What proofs are needed for this: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...1#pid58721 ?
(13 Mar 2022, 14:31 )Like Ra Wrote: some "common grounds", all sides (including the 3d parties) agree upon
As for this: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...3#pid59393 - it comes from RU news, so it's they who had to provide proofs, but they failed, obviously. And this is my point exactly. RU government constantly lies, and constantly changes their lie, they are not even consistent in it. What means, nowadays, even if they say truth, nobody will trust them. RU became too untrustworthy to deal with.
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(05 Apr 2022, 03:54 )shinybambi Wrote: Not exactly, it was originally from Reddit, then it was reposted to 4chan. The 620KB JPG is missing, so it's not clear what the post is about.
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You don't even know estimate refugee count, since you dismiss all info provided by Russian side, because not all people who fled the country did it in the western direction.
Quote:o- The amount of deaths by violence and destructions have significantly grown since the beginning of the Russian "operation".
That's probably the only undisputable truth point here.
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05 Apr 2022, 12:14
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(05 Apr 2022, 11:01 )Like Ra Wrote: As for this: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...3#pid59393 - it comes from RU news, so it's they who had to provide proofs, but they failed, obviously. And this is my point exactly. RU government constantly lies, and constantly changes their lie, they are not even consistent in it. What means, nowadays, even if they say truth, nobody will trust them. RU became too untrustworthy to deal with. And western media retranslating Ukraine speak 100% undisputable truth. Like those poor guys on snake island who gave their life's protecting their country... and turned out all 82 of 13 of them were alive and well instead of being dead, like Ukraine declared. Yeah, but it's just Russia who kann stage events for PR.
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(05 Apr 2022, 12:03 )shinybambi Wrote: That's probably the only undisputable truth point here. What would you change in other statements?
(05 Apr 2022, 12:03 )shinybambi Wrote: You don't even know estimate refugee count, since you dismiss all info provided by Russian side, because not all people who fled the country did it in the western direction. 4mln is the estimation of refugees fled to "The West". The amount of the ones that had to go the other way is 0.5mln, according to TASS.
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(05 Apr 2022, 12:14 )shinybambi Wrote: And western media retranslating Ukraine speak 100% undisputable truth. "Whataboutism" aside, you agree, that RU lies?
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(05 Apr 2022, 12:28 )Like Ra Wrote: (05 Apr 2022, 12:03 )shinybambi Wrote: That's probably the only undisputable truth point here. What would you change in other statements?
(05 Apr 2022, 12:03 )shinybambi Wrote: You don't even know estimate refugee count, since you dismiss all info provided by Russian side, because not all people who fled the country did it in the western direction. 4mln is the estimation of refugees fled to "The West". The amount of the ones that had to go the other way is 0.5mln, according to TASS. Changing anything in your statements would require some real information about current events. We have none.
Facts will slowly start to emerge only when it's all over.
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(05 Apr 2022, 12:47 )Like Ra Wrote: (05 Apr 2022, 12:14 )shinybambi Wrote: And western media retranslating Ukraine speak 100% undisputable truth. "Whataboutism" aside, you agree, that RU lies?
Absolutely. So as west and especially Ukraine. That's what I said from the start. We have no real information about conflict at this point in time. Just lies and propaganda from all sides.
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(05 Apr 2022, 12:47 )shinybambi Wrote: Changing anything in your statements would require some real information about current events.
What is unreal or not confirmed by all sides here:
(13 Mar 2022, 14:31 )Like Ra Wrote: o- UA is a separate and independent country
o- "The special military operation" is started by RU
o- Russian military forces are fighting on the UA territory
o- Russian and Ukrainian citizens die on the UA territory
o- Destructions are happening on the UA territory
o- Some destructions and deaths are caused by RU forces and were intended
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