General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread

[cbshackle]

Yeah, we get the US news up here in Canada, and the transphobia that started in politics there has made its way here now. My friends in some states fear for their lives, others have left the US for here and other countries, and one friend was beaten within an inch of her life. And it's not that much better up here - I've been physically attacked 3 times. Can't count the verbal attacks.

Yep, proving discrimination can be hard in a lot of cases. I had to go "drab" a couple of times to secure an apartment and use my dead name. Otherwise I'd be homeless again. 

I am so sorry that has happened to you. I have a friend in Montréal (also trans) who has been telling me about the shift that has been happening up there. The last time I saw her in Vermont at a conference right before the pandemic we were talking about how US Politics tends to creep up to Canada over time. For people the are visibly trans the verbal attacks have definitely been increasing the last two years.

Thankfully I have been lucky having cis passing privilege, but strangely non-passing trans women I know have had more attacks in liberal cities than rural conservative area.

[vanessa_fetish]

Yeah, we get the US news up here in Canada, and the transphobia that started in politics there has made its way here now. My friends in some states fear for their lives, others have left the US for here and other countries, and one friend was beaten within an inch of her life. And it's not that much better up here - I've been physically attacked 3 times. Can't count the verbal attacks.

Yep, proving discrimination can be hard in a lot of cases. I had to go "drab" a couple of times to secure an apartment and use my dead name. Otherwise I'd be homeless again. 

I am so sorry that has happened to you. I have a friend in Montréal (also trans) who has been telling me about the shift that has been happening up there. The last time I saw her in Vermont at a conference right before the pandemic we were talking about how US Politics tends to creep up to Canada over time. For people the are visibly trans the verbal attacks have definitely been increasing the last two years.

Thankfully I have been lucky having cis passing privilege, but strangely non-passing trans women I know have had more attacks in liberal cities than rural conservative area.

First physical attack was in small town Quebec. Got jumped by a group. 

I've pretty much always faced verbal attacks, as no matter what I stand out (tallish, tattoos, etc). 

I carry self defence now. Enough of us have died, I won't be one.

[brandynette]

[quote="vanessa_fetish" pid="74313" dateline="1717004861"]
Exactly, Ra. For you it's not a need, so you're able to do so.
There's also another fact about being transsexual. Many (if not most) either lose a job, have to work a job that pays less, work under the table, or move to being a sex worker of some sort. Mostly to make ends meet, let alone save up for surgery (in countries where it is not covered).

In my country they used to force "sex change surgery" on all trans females who came out. Sometimes trans girls weren't even informed so when they freaked out & complained about it they got publicly humiliated so some untransitioned or haven't even dared to come out now. reason Austria is lacking my generations trans fems.

& since it was very sickly frowned upon to the point to force a brutal sex change even if we dint want it just to be able to transition & be legally recognized made surgeons very rare as sort of halfway between plastic surgeon & fringe side of cutting humans up to see if they can still get orgasms

[vanessa_fetish]

Exactly, Ra. For you it's not a need, so you're able to do so.
There's also another fact about being transsexual. Many (if not most) either lose a job, have to work a job that pays less, work under the table, or move to being a sex worker of some sort. Mostly to make ends meet, let alone save up for surgery (in countries where it is not covered).

In my country they used to force "sex change surgery" on all trans females who came out. Sometimes trans girls weren't even informed so when they freaked out & complained about it they got publicly humiliated so some untransitioned or haven't even dared to come out now.  reason Austria is lacking my generations trans fems.

& since it was very sickly frowned upon to the point to force a brutal sex change even if we dint want it just to be able to transition & be legally recognized made surgeons very rare as sort of halfway between plastic surgeon & fringe side of cutting humans up to see if they can still get orgasms

Wow never heard that about Austria!! Will have to check that out!

[cbshackle]

Exactly, Ra. For you it's not a need, so you're able to do so.
There's also another fact about being transsexual. Many (if not most) either lose a job, have to work a job that pays less, work under the table, or move to being a sex worker of some sort. Mostly to make ends meet, let alone save up for surgery (in countries where it is not covered).

In my country they used to force "sex change surgery" on all trans females who came out. Sometimes trans girls weren't even informed so when they freaked out & complained about it they got publicly humiliated so some untransitioned or haven't even dared to come out now.  reason Austria is lacking my generations trans fems.

& since it was very sickly frowned upon to the point to force a brutal sex change even if we dint want it just to be able to transition & be legally recognized made surgeons very rare as sort of halfway between plastic surgeon & fringe side of cutting humans up to see if they can still get orgasms

I have heard of forced sterilization before a legal recognition of the sex they transition too, but not to that extreme. The result of GCS/SRS surgery is sterilization, but it is not a requirement to have bottom surgery in most US states for legal sex change, and US Federal (for passports) it is not required. The US is weird on many laws that vary state to state.

Fortunately I had a very good surgeon. I had a pelvic exam by my PCP Doctor who wanted to see the results of my surgery and she was very impressed. She said there was no way to tell the difference between my neo-vagina and a natal vagina until she went looking for a cervix.

[vanessa_fetish]

Exactly, Ra. For you it's not a need, so you're able to do so.
There's also another fact about being transsexual. Many (if not most) either lose a job, have to work a job that pays less, work under the table, or move to being a sex worker of some sort. Mostly to make ends meet, let alone save up for surgery (in countries where it is not covered).

In my country they used to force "sex change surgery" on all trans females who came out. Sometimes trans girls weren't even informed so when they freaked out & complained about it they got publicly humiliated so some untransitioned or haven't even dared to come out now.  reason Austria is lacking my generations trans fems.

& since it was very sickly frowned upon to the point to force a brutal sex change even if we dint want it just to be able to transition & be legally recognized made surgeons very rare as sort of halfway between plastic surgeon & fringe side of cutting humans up to see if they can still get orgasms

I have heard of forced sterilization before a legal recognition of the sex they transition too, but not to that extreme. The result of GCS/SRS surgery is sterilization, but it is not a requirement to have bottom surgery in most US states for legal sex change, and US Federal (for passports) it is not required. The US is weird on many laws that vary state to state.

Fortunately I had a very good surgeon. I had a pelvic exam by my PCP Doctor who wanted to see the results of my surgery and she was very impressed. She said there was no way to tell the difference between my neo-vagina and a natal vagina until she went looking for a cervix.

Quebec and maybe a few other provinces here in Canada required surgery before name change for the longest time. Thankfully they got with the times and changed the requirements. It placed a lot of aggravation into my transition when starting.

The ONLY place that I've heard of actual real FORCED surgery is Iran, where, for at least a time, gay males were forced to have surgery. (Iran accepts transsexuals and pays for the surgery. Fatwah issued by none other than Ayatollah Ryollah Khomeini stating that transsexuals are to be accepted).  Unfortunately some in power saw fit to force some gay men to have surgery or die.

[brandynette]

@cbshackle @vanessa_fetish

sorry late reply but it took me awhile to get the name of the utmost authority & final say over what you will be forced to do if you decide to come out trans legaly!
https://www.transx.at/Pub/Rechtsentwicklung.php

Der Erlass forderte weder Sterilität (wie etwa das deutsche TSG 1980, §8) noch operative Eingriffe. Das Gerichtsmedizinische Institut der Universität Wien, im Konkreten Frau Dr. Friedrich, auf die die Entscheidungskompetenzen übertragen wurden, setzte jedoch ohne jegliche rechtliche Grundlage genitalanpassende Operationen für die Bestätigung der „Annäherung des äußeren Erscheinungsbildes“ voraus.

Von Transfrauen forderte sie die Entfernung des Penis und der Hoden, die Bildung einer Neovagina und Neoclitoris, nicht aber einen Brustaufbau. Transmänner waren zur Entfernung der Gebärmutter, der Eierstöcke und der weiblichen Brust gezwungen. Ein Penisaufbau wurde ihnen (bzw. den Krankenkassen) nicht abverlangt.

In Punkt 4 forderte der Erlass, dass „wegen der Schwierigkeiten der zu beurteilenden Fragen“ die Landesbehörden die Anträge nach Einholung des „Friedrich-Gutachtens“ dem BMI vorzulegen müssen. Die Entscheidungskompetenz wurde damit bis 2010 an den Bund übertragen.

[Like Ra]

Von Transfrauen forderte sie die Entfernung des Penis und der Hoden

Transmänner .... Ein Penisaufbau wurde ihnen (bzw. den Krankenkassen) nicht abverlangt.

Are they phallophobes? 🤣

[brandynette]

i would say she was the very first TERF

[Like Ra]

i would say she was the very first TERF

Who is "she"?