General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread

[Like Ra]

Facial feminization surgery

Some time ago I stumbled upon this Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_fem...on_surgery

I mean in the way we think. It's hard to explain but when u go through it's a clear difference. umm It's like where a guy has one way to get from A to B and a girl uses another path from A to B.

It turned out that the "sex/gender related behaviour is bound to the "social sex/gender expectations and norms". As soon as the "social factor" was removed from the experiments, women showed exactly the same behaviour as men.

Or for example when we look at a dress in a store window. A guy might think.

Depends on the personal interests, hobbies, fetishes, profession, society the person belongs to, etc.

Maybe a bad example but there is clear differences.

I'm very sorry to disappoint you, but there is no clear difference in mentalities and thinking process. (There are some lectures by the neuroscientists on Youtube). Again, especially if you remove the "society factor".

A woman puts on weight A LOT faster than guys.

I'm not sure about that either. Yes, the tendencies are different. Any links to researches? I've seen various cases. It's all about personal metabolism and life style. And it changes dramatically even for the same person over time. So, the individual differences are still more significant. My point is that HRT does not "solve" this problem, and "that fat person" still has to reconsider the diet and physical exercises.

But again it's often up to luck and genetics as with everything else. Not all Biological woman has perfect hourglass forms and a "perfect" face

Yep, my point exactly, so HRT is not an answer here as well.

But i know it's hard to get into it when it's something that is not for you

Actually, I came to the conclusion, that in most of the cases HRT is useless and harmful, after checking hundreds of timeline, and studies about the differences between men and women (I pasted some links in this thread above). The results of "my meta-investigation" are extremely disappointing. Virtually all more or less successful MtF transitions (passability-wise) happened thanks to the facial surgery. In other words, if you aeady do not look like a girl, the only way to look like a girl is FFS.

I would greatly appreciate if you link successful FFS-free transition timelines.

[Like Ra]

And if we come to the fundamental differences between men and women (XX vs XY, skeletons, internal organs, etc) then no HRT or SRS can cover for them. Initial mother-child relations are due to the oxytocin storm, which creates an imprint (or anchor, or trigger), monthly health issues (no woman like! this is not something that anybody would want!) are due to other hormonal storms and internal differences.

So, that's my point: if you aeady look like a woman, HRT might fill in some "details" to "enhance" the look. If you do not look like a woman, HRT will not help. Only surgery can radically change it. And in both cases HRT creates much more physical health problems, than solves.

My next point is that the most of the gender issues is social.

[Like Ra]

I'm sorry this isnt the wonderpill/s for stomach fat

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But there is always big differences from start to finish.

That's exactly what I don't see in the timelines. Again, WITHOUT surgery.

[Like Ra]

Another interesting question. What "typical female mannerism", body posture and gestures are caused by anatomy and what by socialization, social influences, norms and expectations?

[gunz]

I'm sorry this isnt the wonderpill/s for stomach fat

😟
😁

But there is always big differences from start to finish.

That's exactly what I don't see in the  timelines. Again, WITHOUT surgery.

Well again sorry it's not something completely different that what it is. It's hormonetreatment, it's not a magic waist thinning pill xD

Here's a link to a proper study for the Mental part If you still dont belive that there is close to no changes. I wanted to add something here but it might be a bit "out of place" so im choosing not to.
hope the link works. It should be the PDF file in the link if you are interested in reading some proper documented studies 😊 
I'll see if i can find something different for the physical changes aswell sins u seem to focus on the boobs xD and that is somehow 90% of a womans look it seems  😕

http://www.hbrs.no/informasjon/forskning/

Norwegian site.. So I hope u can see the PDF file if u click on the link. (it's the first PDF they are named and written in english of course) xD if u dont understand norwegian it might be hard to navigate haha.
There are also other documented studies on this site if u scroll down, all seem to be in english 😉

[gunz]

Another interesting question. What "typical female mannerism", body posture and gestures are caused by anatomy and what by socialization, social influences, norms and expectations?

Body posture is whatever you make it to. If u sit a lot infront of the computer u will most likely develop an arced back or a "lazy posture" it's nothing socializm does, nor influences or norms. But gestures and the way you act around others are very often influenced by others and how you yourself feel around others.

[gunz]

Oh and there arnt any "huge" diffrences that is needed anywhere for one to completely change a look. It's all the small differences that makes the change 😉 If anyone really belive there is little to no change on  a body neither Mentally nor Physically when going through HRT. They really havnt seen much 😁 Better start googling, youtubing, watch some documentaries, read some research etc 😉 Or as a professional about it.
Many small things makes a Big difference 😉

[gunz]

Facial feminization surgery

Some time ago I stumbled upon this Wiki page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_fem...on_surgery

I mean in the way we think. It's hard to explain but when u go through it's a clear difference. umm It's like where a guy has one way to get from A to B and a girl uses another path from A to B.

It turned out that the "sex/gender related behaviour is bound to the "social sex/gender expectations and norms". As soon as the "social factor" was removed from the experiments, women showed exactly the same behaviour as men.

Or for example when we look at a dress in a store window. A guy might think.

Depends on the personal interests, hobbies, fetishes, profession, society the person belongs to, etc.

Maybe a bad example but there is clear differences.

I'm very sorry to disappoint you, but there is no clear difference in mentalities and thinking process. (There are some lectures by the neuroscientists on Youtube). Again, especially if you remove the "society factor".

A woman puts on weight A LOT faster than guys.

I'm not sure about that either. Yes, the tendencies are different. Any links to researches? I've seen various cases. It's all about personal metabolism and life style. And it changes dramatically even for the same person over time. So, the individual differences are still more significant. My point is that HRT does not "solve" this problem, and "that fat person" still has to reconsider the diet and physical exercises.

But again it's often up to luck and genetics as with everything else. Not all Biological woman has perfect hourglass forms and a "perfect" face

Yep, my point exactly, so HRT is not an answer here as well.

But i know it's hard to get into it when it's something that is not for you

Actually, I came to the conclusion, that in most of the cases HRT is useless and harmful, after checking hundreds of timeline, and studies about the differences between men and women (I pasted some links in this thread above). The results of "my meta-investigation" are extremely disappointing. Virtually all more or less successful MtF transitions (passability-wise) happened thanks to the facial surgery. In other words, if you aeady do not look like a girl, the only way to look like a girl is FFS.

I would greatly appreciate if you link successful FFS-free transition timelines.

 here is one 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf0CRezZYOUcvqrdMmozowQ
Also check out Nikkitutorials on youtube. she is also a transwoman. that's 2 right on top of my head 😉 Also a Kim petras or something, think she is german/dutch or something around dwon there. also Transwoman. And in general like a good 75% of anyone who transition before they are 25-30 and a good 99% of those who start with blockers for puberty and HRT at 18

[gunz]

I think we will just have to agree to disagree. You think there is absolutely no change pretty much unless u get implants and facial surgery. which says a lot from my stand point xD sry aboot that. And the fact that you constantly went back to almost hoping the HRT was a magical treatment for a thinner waistline is also very wierd. And you say you have done "A LOT" of research on the subject. I would personally say you have done a very poor job or not rly put yourself into it other than the first 1-3 random links u found on google 😁

[Like Ra]

Nikkitutorials

AFAIR Nikki began transitioning at the age of 14 or something. The earlier, he better result. However, I'm not sure about the absence of FFS, though. Nikki came out only a couple of weeks ago, so there is not much information (or I missed it).