Cruel Instructions Hypnosis / No Safety / Only Suffering

[VulpineFoxs]

TL;DR: What do you think of cruel instruction files? Does anyone know of any really cruel non-feminization files? Preferably ones with direct instructions and/or no-touch denial. No feminization because I physically do not have access to anything that would be involved, nor can I get it. Just not something that can happen right now. 

Basically all the files I see are all so soft it's kinda infuriating. 

100s of chastity files and almost all of them are all "You can't cum... unless you get permission" and hearing that "unless you get permission" is starting to really turn me off. 

There are 1000s of files and the vast majority of them are just generic variations of "You feel submissive towards me" or "<insert fantasy here>" or "You feel so aroused" or etc...

So many files that are so "general". Nothing specific.

 

This is my big problem with hypno files. I thrive in specificity. I don't want to hear "You feel so submissive", I want to hear "You feel so submissive, you'd kneel naked on the ground for hours for me. In fact, do it. Right now. Move yourself, pause the file, remove your headphones if you have to, strip completely naked and resume listening... If you haven't stripped yourself naked then stop listening. I am not interested in someone who can't follow basic instructions"

And then the file makes you kneel on the ground, naked, and then continues. Etc...

So many files also just leave so much up to the listener. Which may work for others, but not for me. I want to be told exactly what I should do. 

I've been listening to Calia's Forever Locked and it's amazing. I love it and I love the cruelty in it. (There's several mentions in it about her doing it to make you suffer, that she doesn't care about you, doesn't even know you exist. That she just wants to get off on the thought that people she doesn't even know are suffering). But it still has the "flaw" that you could be given permission, even if it's limited due to the fact you can't ask for permission. And it still lacks some specificity: It says no touching, no masturbating, no humping the pillow, but what about air humping? What about clenching? I can ruin completely handsfree just by clenching. 

Sure you can infer what to do, but that takes extra effort and, it's not as effective. 

And then you have the missing files. The files that I expected to exist, yet don't. Like conditionals. "When Y, do X" or "You can do X only when Z", etc...

And these can range from very tame to very extreme too:

"You can only masturbate when you're naked", "Arousal makes your clothes ichier and ichier the longer you stay aroused", "You cannot touch yourself unless you've put on nipple clamps", etc...

And more extreme ones:

"You cannot get out of bed in the morning | fall asleep until you've cum X times", (for cock havers) "You cannot eat a meal before cumming on it X amount of times", "For every separate instance of drinking water, you cannot drink any of it without first drinking X ml of your own fresh piss. You probably should never completely empty your bladder 😋"

Quite honestly there's endless scenarios and instructions one can create and reinforce into permanent habits. And it's this intertwining of cruel sexual actions with every-day actions that really gets me off. And is also basically non-existent in files.

And you can use it to reinforce other more "general" instructions. "You're always horny" is a very weak instruction. I ended up writing a whole script section for it lol:

"You like the thought of always being horny, always aroused, always locked into horny-brain mode, where you don't think clearly and you just do whatever depraved thing I tell you. So from now on, you will strive to become more and more aroused, more and more of the day. If at any point, doesn't matter what you are doing, if you're lying down in bed, trying to sleep, if you are working or playing, if you're walking in public, at any point in your daily life, if you realize you are not horny, you will stop whatever it is you are doing, if your life isn't literally in danger for doing so, you will stop and the words of this file will come back to you, and you will think of the horniest thing you can, something that will make you all hot and bothered, get all wet, all hard, if those reactions haven't been conditioned out of you, and then you will continue doing whatever it was. 

And it's okay to have to do this again and again and again. It's okay to have to interrupt your life over and over again, every single day, simply to make yourself horny again. Let all that frustration at having to break your train of thought, your activities, your work, your game, let it all feed into your hornyness. And if it ever gets too much. If you ever think "I can't be bothered doing this, I'm too busy", that's okay too. But you will remember me, remember this file. And if that ever happens, you will come back, here, and listen to it again. After all, it wouldn't be a curse, if it was that easy to get out? No, you wanted to be horny forever, and there's no need to worry, you will be. You'll come back here again and again, as many times as you need.

So keep making yourself horny, keep interrupting your life to do so, until your body and your mind learns the truth, learns that it's better to always be horny."

But this gets the point across. It's this kind of stuff I'm looking for and simply not finding.

Or even simple instructions beyond "Masturbate" or "Deny/Ruin your orgasm" and even that is very uncommon. 
What about literally any fetish? What about "Handcuff your hands behind your back for me, and stay that way for the next hour or day?", "Piss in a glass and drink it" in trance? Or detailed instructions to ass to mouth while in trance. 

I haven't found a single instruction audio or video which directly instructs you to put your chastity on, put the key in the lock and then bend and bend and bend until it breaks, while the hypnotists cums. And then they would slowly pull you back into a deep trance and tell you how you're not going to pull out, not going to try and get out of the cage in any way. And that you're not going to cum either. That you're not allowed to masturbate in any way. That the cage not only prevents you from touching your cock properly, it also mentally locks you away from doing anything that you know will give your cock pleasure. No humping, no clenching, no plapping, nothing. Your cock suffers. You suffer. You can still fuck your ass, your mouth, play with your nipples. But if ever you find that doing anything is giving pleasure to your cock, you stop. You try to change whatever you're doing so that it doesn't. And if you can't? You can never do that activity again. And then the hypnotist cums again.

Stuff like that. Truly cruel stuff. I haven't really seen any.

Maybe with the exception of things like BS, the Pig Girl files, etc... but those, as far as I can tell, are a complete hodgepodge of files and fetishes and honestly it seems to me like a mess. BS seems a bit more organized now-days, but... I don't have access to any fem items yet. Maybe in the future.

This ended up longer than I thought. Ended up ranting a bit. I am very curious what are others' thoughts on my, apparently niche, interests. And I'd be delighted if you have any recommendations for me to check out. I have retroshare, but you can't really search there, except for file names. And the forums are pretty dead, interactions wise. Only friend codes lol

[Like Ra]

Possibly can be merge with https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...ypno-files ?

Or is it more about wishes? https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showth...p?tid=2115

[Like Ra]

What do you think of cruel instruction files? Does anyone know of any really cruel

ViVe's speciality, I would say.

This is my big problem with hypno files. I thrive in specificity. I don't want to hear "You feel so submissive", I want to hear "You feel so submissive, you'd kneel naked on the ground for hours for me. In fact, do it. Right now. Move yourself, pause the file, remove your headphones if you have to, strip completely naked and resume listening... If you haven't stripped yourself naked then stop listening. I am not interested in someone who can't follow basic instructions"

Isn't it role playing? It does not sound like hypno.

So keep making yourself horny, keep interrupting your life to do so, until your body and your mind learns the truth, learns that it's better to always be horny."

There are many such files - constant arousal with no release. Many SB files, Bellmar's "Moist Mess", other Bambi's tributes. I love this idea.

I haven't found a single instruction audio or video which directly instructs you to put your chastity on, put the key in the lock and then bend and bend and bend until it breaks

ChatGPT was going to create a file like that - "put on chastity belt and throw away the key." However, I was running out of free tokens. https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...9#pid80619

[VulpineFoxs]

ViVe's speciality, I would say.

Vive has some, but... ugh, I really prefer fem voices. I have checked him out in the past but I didn't see anything all that unique.

There are many such files - constant arousal with no release. Many SB files, Bellmar's "Moist Mess", other Bambi's tributes. I love this idea.
Isn't it role playing? It does not sound like hypno.

Hmm? How is this role playing? I don't follow.

ChatGPT was going to create a file like that - "put on chastity belt and throw away the key." However, I was running out of free tokens. https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...9#pid80619

Eh, it's simple enough to download an LLM and do it locally. Or use deepseek, maybe that will work.

But LLMs aren't really good for any kind of creative writing. They can make stuff, but you basically need to babysit them. And they have a very annoying LLM tone, that once you realize is there, always bothers you. At least it does me. I can just write the script myself, that's not the issue.

[Like Ra]

How is this role playing? I don't follow.

Ah, the quotes were at the wrong places. Fixed the post now. Let's repeat:

I want to hear "You feel so submissive, you'd kneel naked on the ground for hours for me. In fact, do it. Right now. Move yourself, pause the file, remove your headphones if you have to, strip completely naked

Isn't it role playing? It does not sound like hypno.

[VulpineFoxs]

Isn't it role playing? It does not sound like hypno.

Ah, I see what you mean.

It is roleplaying, in the sense that most everything in life can be boiled down to role-playing.

Everything hypnosis can do, you can theoretically do without. For example, you don't need hypnosis to lock yourself in chastity for long periods of time. That is a role you are taking up. You're taking up the "role" of "someone in chastity who is not going to remove it for a long time". And you can get into that role in many different ways. Perhaps you have enough discipline. Or you have a dom/keyholder and you are very obedient to them, etc...

Hypnosis acts both as a source and a catalyst of roles. Being in a hypnotic trance makes it easier to manipulate roles. To give roles, to take away roles, to lock some in and to lock others away.

It's a tool, a method. So, to answer your question, it is roleplaying. But roleplaying empowered by appropriate hypnosis to be much much harder to stop. Like, what I described in my original post wouldn't be the first file you'd listen to. It would be a culmination of other files, which would've aeady primed you with suggestions and lesser "proofs" to obey the hypnotists.

Like, "You want to obey me", "As you think about breaking away from my instruction, you remind yourself how disappointed you will feel, how much you'd disappoint me". Or, crueler and more dangerous suggestions, etc...

A lot of the hypnofiles that exist are that. They buildup the rapport you need. But they never DO anything with it. They never take it and translate it into proper instructions, or proper suggestions that affect you beyond the bounds of a file.

Which, sure, I can understand why. But it's so boooooooooooooooooring.

[Like Ra]

. But roleplaying empowered by appropriate hypnosis to be much much harder to stop.

This is very true.

What I mean, is that real-life BDSM with a real-life dom is mostly role playing. No hypno needed. And yes, BDSM + hypno should be more powerful. However, it's still mostly (80-90%) is BDSM + RP.

Perfectly fine for most, bit not for me. I like to feel the enforced by hypno actions, when the body acts "by its own". That's what I call the proper hypno, when no RP required.

[VulpineFoxs]

. But roleplaying empowered by appropriate hypnosis to be much much harder to stop.

This is very true.

What I mean, is that real-life BDSM with a real-life dom is mostly role playing. No hypno needed. And yes, BDSM + hypno should be more powerful. However, it's still mostly (80-90%) is BDSM + RP.

Perfectly fine for most, bit not for me. I like to feel the enforced by hypno actions, when the body acts "by its own". That's what I call the proper hypno, when no RP required.

Hmm, you mean when you're doing something without realizing it, like you're on autopilot? Or when someone gives you an order and you follow it through without being able to stop? 

And real life BDSM is role-playing, in the sense that all relationships can be boiled down to role-play. 

All relationships have rules, paradigms, patterns and structures, etc...

However, people are not RPing when they are in a BDSM relationship like you'd do in a chatroom. 

They embody certain roles, yes, but that is not something fake. They are real. Perhaps thin and weak when one starts out, but they become more and more solid, more real, the longer it goes on. Or they stay thin, if that's what the participants want.

I think what you dislike when you say "role-playing" is what happens when you, say, give someone an order and they say they followed it, but they didn't. When they deliberately say and pretend they are embodying the role, while in actually they don't. 

RPing in the common way it's used, in that you are chatting with someone and you are both RPing, is collaborative fiction/fantasy writing. 

That's not what happens when someone gets a hypnotic command and they follow it. Take this scenario: A hypnotist tells two subjects to raise their arm and one person doesn't feel any compulsion, doesn't feel their body move on it's own, but they move their arm to follow along. The other received the instruction and their body follows it. There is no real conscious thought of "I should raise my arm", it just happens, because of the instruction.

They were both equally hypnotized! They both raised their arms! The suggestion worked equally well on both! The only difference between them is their mentality and their perspective. 

The first one is perhaps a new subject. The second is an experienced subject, that has gone through conditioning and training so that they might perceive instructions the way they do. They have trained to respond to instructions by following them, without thinking about them. And they have been conditioned to disassociate their own sense of self from the action being performed.

The only thing the quality of the hypnosis affects is how interested you are in it. How invested you are in it. If a file bores you, it's not really going to have an affect. You're too busy being bored to tears.

[ranma82]

. But roleplaying empowered by appropriate hypnosis to be much much harder to stop.

This is very true.

What I mean, is that real-life BDSM with a real-life dom is mostly role playing. No hypno needed. And yes, BDSM + hypno should be more powerful. However, it's still mostly (80-90%) is BDSM + RP.

Perfectly fine for most, bit not for me. I like to feel the enforced by hypno actions, when the body acts "by its own". That's what I call the proper hypno, when no RP required.

this is how it should be too many people faking stuff its hard to tell whats real or not
Having thoughts implanted into ur mind until u start believing them and even forgetting there even from hypnosis to begin with

[VulpineFoxs]

. But roleplaying empowered by appropriate hypnosis to be much much harder to stop.

This is very true.

What I mean, is that real-life BDSM with a real-life dom is mostly role playing. No hypno needed. And yes, BDSM + hypno should be more powerful. However, it's still mostly (80-90%) is BDSM + RP.

Perfectly fine for most, bit not for me. I like to feel the enforced by hypno actions, when the body acts "by its own". That's what I call the proper hypno, when no RP required.

this is how it should be too many people faking stuff its hard to tell whats real or not
Having thoughts implanted into ur mind until u start believing them and even forgetting there even from hypnosis to begin with

I believe there is a key difference between people faking and people who are beginners, even if they might seem similar. And I think it's important to highlight that. 

What you described, implanting thoughts and having the subject forget their source, is an advanced form of hypnosis. Advanced, because it combined multiple different aspects. 

The most important and hardest being "forgetting on command". But that's one of the more difficult aspects of hypnosis. And unless you are a complete natural talent at being a forgetful subject, which some people are, it's not something that you can just do. It's a skill that needs to be trained. 

It's not something tied to the quality of the file. If you don't know how to do it, and the file doesn't teach you, it's just not going to happen, no matter how good the file is. 

Now, if the file is one you particularly enjoy, you might feel motivated enough to actually figure it out on your own. You see that happen too. Posts from people who say they've been long struggling with one or another aspect of hypnosis, until they listen to a specific file and things just click and from then on other files work much better.

So, to accomplish what you're saying, you need, at minimum:

a) Skill in forgetting on command
b) Skill in getting triggered into thinking a thought
c) A file that, ideally explicitly, makes use of those skills.

This isn't something that "true hypnosis" can do that "fake hypnosis" cannot. It's a specific subcategory of hypnosis that needs to be created with this specific goal in mind.