Bambi vs Kei vs SB - which one is more effective for you?

[Like Ra]

The statistics is slowly changing and beginning to reflect the expected ratio. There's also one important difference. Bambi files are free. Kei offers some files for free. And SB's files are the most pirated ones (gigabyte-wise). SB has a couple of free MP3s and a huge amount of free short videos (if they are effective, it's another story, shown in the poll).

OTOH, SB created the most files (significantly more), then Kei, then Bambi. Would be interesting to count.

[hypnosub]

In my opinion, they're all pretty good and can be powerful, but they have different strengths. Which one is most effective for me at any given time probably depends on what I'm in the mood for.

Bambi's main strength comes from being the most cohesive and focused of the three. All of the files serve the same purpose, building a new identity from scratch and fleshing that identity out, and making sure the old identity doesn't slip back in while Bambi is active. I find the suggestions and triggers are designed very well, reinforcing each other in a way that's almost beautiful, like an intricate spiderweb keeping the listener effectively trapped as Bambi.

The older files' sound design is decent, but nothing exceptional. The sound design is much better in the newer files, honestly some of the best out of all the hypnosis files I've listened to.

One of the things I personally like about Bambi files, at least the official ones, is that they usually just mention "cock", not the person that cock is attached to. I'm into feminization, and I like sucking cock, but I'm not attracted to masculinity. Files that talk excessively about sucking off and being attracted to "real masculine men" tend to be hard for me to stay in trance - Goddess Gracie is the biggest name that comes to mind here, but honestly the majority of feminization/sissy hypnosis content is like this. 

For the most part, the files also keep the suggestions limited to the time you're "in uniform" - dressed like a slut. This kills two birds with one stone - improves immersion during Bambi time, and provides an excellent demarcation to prevent the suggestions from impacting your life when you're not being Bambi. For me, this is what led to these files being the ones that finally got me to start dressing up for real while listening, instead of just imagining it. Some files do violate this rule though, and have suggestions that apply when you're not in uniform, though this is mostly just a few more advanced files and unofficial files.

Kei's files are a lot more hit or miss for me. Some of them I love and have listened to over and over again. Others I've tried because the description sounded interesting, but I just couldn't get through it.

They're much less cohesive than Bambi files, in terms of both individual files and collectively. For me personally, this leads to a lot of files that have suggestions I really like, but also suggestions I don't like. I think just about all of Kei's files also have suggestions that apply during your normal daily life, wanting to wear makeup every day, walking and sitting like a girl, being attracted to men and wanting to suck the cock of every guy you see, etc. If you just want a fantasy where you imagine yourself as a cocksucking slut for a bit, then go back to normal life when you take the headphones off, Kei's files probably aren't the best for you.

Kei experiments a lot with the sound design, different effects, filters, etc. Sometimes these experiments produce great results where the whole audio experience just sucks me right in. Just as often it results in a mess of a file that's so painful to listen to that I can't get into trance and give up a few minutes into the file.

I do like the way Kei frequently references the spot "between your eyes and above the bridge of your nose" - the location of the third eye, where most people imagine the "screen" of their mental imagery to be. A lot of Kei files will tell you to imagine that spot is like a pussy that opens up and gets fucked by a cock. That's pretty powerful for me, having my entire mental imagery space taken up by cock, leaving no room left to imagine anything else.

And finally SB's files - I think their main strength is the author's masterful understanding of hypnosis. They're all (at least the ones I've listened to) very technically sound, I get the sense SB has read a textbook or three on hypnosis. That can lead to the files being kind of formulaic though - "In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few"

I've been working for a long time on improving my ability to enter hypnosis, and pretty often I've gotten good tips from SB files. Since your subconscious mind is the driver in hypnosis, you can't really "force" it, but depending on what's going on in your mind consciously or semi-consciously, you can make it easier or harder for the subconscious to take over. Quite a few times during SB inductions I've heard a suggestion like "Sometimes people might do [x], but you can do [y] instead", and as soon as I processed it, I got the sense of "Oh wow, that's exactly what I was doing wrong", and I was instantly much closer to the perfect state to easily enter hypnosis.

The sound design is a just a bit below average in my opinion, but not so bad that it prevents me from being hypnotized like some of Kei's files. The content, fantasy scenarios, etc. are usually good, but rarely amazing. Many of them do have subliminal feminizing suggestions that aren't listed in the file description.

[Like Ra]

I think just about all of Kei's files also have suggestions that apply during your normal daily life, wanting to wear makeup every day, walking and sitting like a girl, being attracted to men and wanting to suck the cock of every guy you see, etc. If you just want a fantasy where you imagine yourself as a cocksucking slut for a bit, then go back to normal life when you take the headphones off, Kei's files probably aren't the best for you.

For me, it sounds like a description of Bambi files.

Just as often it results in a mess of a file that's so painful to listen to that I can't get into trance and give up a few minutes into the file.

Oh yes...

And finally SB's files - I think their main strength is the author's masterful understanding of hypnosis.

Entirely possible.. Then I don't understand while there is not much (if any) post-hypnotic effects (I'm talking about myself here). Especially from the latest files. Or I do not notice anything from the inside?

[hypnosub]

I think just about all of Kei's files also have suggestions that apply during your normal daily life, wanting to wear makeup every day, walking and sitting like a girl, being attracted to men and wanting to suck the cock of every guy you see, etc. If you just want a fantasy where you imagine yourself as a cocksucking slut for a bit, then go back to normal life when you take the headphones off, Kei's files probably aren't the best for you.

For me, it sounds like a description of Bambi files.

I get where you're coming from and don't completely disagree, but I do think there's some big differences in the way Bambi works vs Kei in terms of affecting your outside life. Bambi's uniform allows for compartmentalization, on the surface level there's a clear separation between Bambi and daily life:

When you wear the uniform, you become Bambi. The triggers and conditioning are targeted at Bambi. If you're not wearing the uniform, you're not Bambi, so the triggers and conditioning aren't for you. Pretty often (but not always!) the files even explicitly word the trigger installation suggestions to only work while you're in uniform. The word "permanent" is used liberally in the files, but to me it's fine for something to permanently affect Bambi, because I'm not Bambi when the uniform is off.

That being said, there's definitely some caveats. Think of it like a flashy sign advertising in huge bold font "Programming only works when in uniform! Keep your outside life separate and unaffected!". But then once you look closely, there's some asterisks there, and some fine print at the bottom about some possible exceptions to that "separate and unaffected" claim.

Some of the more advanced files, like the Salon files, do explicitly give a few small suggestions that apply to your outside life. And there's a few files I don't fuck with, like Bimbo Protection. I don't think I've ever listened to that one, it just sounds evil from the description. Pretty much all of bambi4eva's unofficial files make no attempt to adhere to the separation rule.

Plus I think it's a bit of an open question whether that kind of complete mental "separation" is even possible, I suspect the mental barriers are probably not airtight, and some influence gets through, though at a greatly reduced level than if the files made no attempt to install a barrier and just said "this applies to your entire life" instead of "while in uniform". 

And you can always enjoy the pleasure of being Bambi so much that you wind up getting addicted to it. I'd see this not as the contents of the Bambi compartment leaking into the outside life compartment, but the Bambi compartment growing while the outside life compartment shrinks. Of course that kind of addiction is possible with anything pleasurable, but the more pleasurable something is, the more likely you are to get addicted to it.

So in summary I do think Bambi can affect your outside life, but in subtler, more insidious ways, that you might not even realize are happening. If you're careful and stick mainly to the beginner files, I don't think there should be too much outside life effect, but terms and conditions apply, may not be available in all areas, void where prohibited, for novelty use only, no warranties, express or implied, etc.

Kei files, on the other hand, usually beat you in the face with the outside life changes, making no attempt at subtlety or creating any kind of separation. They have frequent explicit suggestions along the lines of "completely forgetting how to be male", "always wearing feminine clothing", "always talking like a girl", etc.

And finally SB's files - I think their main strength is the author's masterful understanding of hypnosis.

Entirely possible.. Then I don't understand while there is not much (if any) post-hypnotic effects (I'm talking about myself here). Especially from the latest files. Or I do not notice anything from the inside?

That's fair, to be honest I probably listen to SB files the least of the three, and when I do I usually listen to files more focused on a fantasy scenario than conditioning. I've been listening to erotic hypnosis files off and on for over a decade, but it's only been in the past couple years that I feel like I've started making real progress improving my abilities. I'm getting to be fairly good at visualizing, but my trigger response during hypnosis is still not great, and my post-hypnotic response tends to be close to zero.

[HypnoMix]

I would say out of these 3, I like kei the most, then sb, then bambi falls very last on any list. I tried bambi files cause there was tons of them for free on YouTube. Didnt really do much for me. Sb files are a cool journey. I feel like when you start them your progressing through them tring to achieve a goal. Kei files are done really well. Even has a good evil sound to them. Im not big on the whole demon takeover thing but im also smarter to know thats just the theme here to make them more popular.

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I found my answer.

[Like Ra]

If you're not wearing the uniform, you're not Bambi

Mmmm.... Even in the original first set of 10 files there are phrases like: "Even/when if you are not wearing uniform", etc. So, I would not say that Bambi is compartmentalized.

Plus I think it's a bit of an open question whether that kind of complete mental "separation" is even possible, I suspect the mental barriers are probably not airtight, and some influence gets through

Absolutely. Especially if you like the suggestions and agree with them. Also, hypno expands the limits, even if you originally "did not agree".

I'd see this not as the contents of the Bambi compartment leaking into the outside life compartment, but the Bambi compartment growing while the outside life compartment shrinks. Of course that kind of addiction is possible with anything pleasurable, but the more pleasurable something is, the more likely you are to get addicted to it.

Yes, exactly this!

Kei files, on the other hand, usually beat you in the face with the outside life changes, making no attempt at subtlety or creating any kind of separation. They have frequent explicit suggestions along the lines of "completely forgetting how to be male", "always wearing feminine clothing", "always talking like a girl", etc.

This is also true. "If it works", of course. And this is the main question of the thread 😉

[Fils]

If this is top3, I wonder how top10 would look like.

[Munkiman]

For me, SB is the standout creator. Her files have the strongest effect on me, and I've managed to achieve effects with them that I haven't with other hypnotists to the point where I used to think they were myths, like complete amnesia about what happened in the file or having a HFO without actually ever hearing a trigger be set or used--I assume they're in the background tracks somewhere. I also click really well with SB's video content (at least the stuff that a hair of effort was put into). I'm very ADD and the flashing images and layered voices help capture my interest right away.

I would rank Bambi at #2. I've never managed to achieve what others have with these, despite having listened to them quite a few times. Part of it might be that because the sessions are so long, I haven't listened to them day after day. I tend to get antsy while listening to these, even though I don't have that issue with some other 'tists for some reason. However, the HFOs are consistent, and while I can push through it I've found my limbs dropping totally limp when I try to remove the uniform, which is nice.

Kei is a complete crapshoot for me. Sometimes I feel like her files aren't even really hypnosis. But on at least one occasion I had an experience where I felt like I had totally lost control of my body in the shower hours after I was done listening to a session about posession. It was strange and exciting and I haven't been able to replicate it. I don't know if I just... tricked myself? Or something? But it really felt like I was absolutely not in control of my arms and what they were doing. Wild.

While SB is probably my #1 hypnotist in terms of effectiveness, I think I'd put some others in the #2 slot before Bambi or Kei. Mistress of Hypnosis and Nikki come to mind.

[Lycalopex]

Kei is a complete crapshoot for me. Sometimes I feel like her files aren't even really hypnosis. But on at least one occasion I had an experience where I felt like I had totally lost control of my body in the shower hours after I was done listening to a session about posession. It was strange and exciting and I haven't been able to replicate it. I don't know if I just... tricked myself? Or something? But it really felt like I was absolutely not in control of my arms and what they were doing. Wild.

Herein lies the heart of hypnosis, imo. Regardless of anything we ultimately do it to ourselves, it's just a matter of how much the hypnotist helps you along.

It makes it a bit of a trip when the effects suddenly spring up unexpectedly.

[Like Ra]

While SB is probably my #1 hypnotist in terms of effectiveness, I think I'd put some others in the #2 slot before Bambi or Kei. Mistress of Hypnosis and Nikki come to mind.

The thread is not about "top 5 hypnotists" (feel free to create one!), but about top 3 in a particular style/theme.