Actual *forced* feminization?

[Like Ra]

@Like Ra I remember stumbling across a link to another thread where you did a "public challenge" here, that you would do "xyz" if other people did "abc"... (I don't remember what it was anymore, before my membership time here I believe) ?

Here it is: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showth...p?tid=3953

And this is the direction where I was going with my questions. Because ... well... most of us has this "Nooooo! I can't do that!!!! What would they say?? What would they do??? I must not be seen wearing this!!!" While, in fact, it's not about "them", but about "I", whatever it is. And this is where the actual magic happens.

perfectly spoken.  so many things are possible if you are 1. able to be truly honest and 2. able to accept rejection and loss

"above all, don't lie to yourself..." - dostoevsky

I do it, but not virtually.

I offer this role-playing game to people who come on holiday to the fetishist guesthouse.

The principle is as follows:

1°) When they arrive, they get naked in the flat to take a shower. Obviously, they are alone in the flat, so nudity is not a problem.
2°) I go into their flat and confiscate (or steal  like a thief) all their men's clothes. I only leave them their women's clothes or lend them some, as we have some to lend out. (washed in the machine after each loan)
3°) A little later, I knock on the (glass) door of the flat and show them around.This role play is free.

This role play can be adapted with a chastity cage (or without a cage) / we sometimes decide that they are in a reform centre for young girls.
The duration of the game is decided in advance, but once it has started, I do not return the men's clothes until the chosen number of days has passed.

What I am saying is REAL, I am not making anything up.

[Like Ra]

I offer this role-playing game

That's kinda what @stationcashplease suggested:

go see a pro domme, it will be cheaper than transition

"Role-playing" is one of the ways to move to a new reality, and also to check *IF* you want to move to that reality.

That's kinda what @stationcashplease suggested:

  go see a pro domme, it will be cheaper than transition

😋 the longer this thread goes on the more i feel like cassandra

[Like Ra]

😋 the longer this thread goes on the more i feel like cassandra

Ah, I would still prefer to keep it on the actual topic - force feminization in real life. However, I think, we have to limit "our subjects" to "somehow willing", or "having a CD or AGP fetish", instead of the pure form:

random men grabbed off the street

So far, I see the hyposis/braiwashing/NLP/esoteric way(s) as the most potent and real. As an example. Even 7 yeas ago (yes, I was wearing pantyhose openly) I could not even imagine, that I will have shoulder-blades long hair, always painted long nails (and toe-nails), and will be playing with phytoestrogens and make-up. In this very forum, I said "NO WAY" to many things 😅 And those things are progressing 🤣

Saying that... I have some ideas. They appeared in an almost complete form and shape last night. I need to formulate them properly and put into a plan.

So far - please keep ideas coming!

[Like Ra]

E.g., make him indistinguishable from a biological woman by forcing more and more changes, without any way to back out or change his mind?

That's another problem... Because it's not possible. Obviously, the best result can be achieved only if started around 9-10yo. Saying that, I'm closely watching Kai Schreiber (that's for a separate thread).

the best result can be achieved only if started around 9-10yo.  Saying that, I'm closely watching Kai Schreiber (that's for a separate thread).

I would disagree with that "only". Some very positive experiences can be found here which always inspire me:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TransLater/

Opposed perhaps to the premise of this thread, it is also not about transforming into a "model" for most (something most cis women also are not), but being & feeling comfy in your skin & that can be the best result over all others. 

Just curious, why specifically Kai?

E.g., make him indistinguishable from a biological woman by forcing more and more changes, without any way to back out or change his mind?

That's another problem... Because it's not possible. Obviously, the best result can be achieved only if started around 9-10yo. Saying that, I'm closely watching Kai Schreiber (that's for a separate thread).

define "indistinguishable" - in theory, i agree. but we need to be very precise in what specifically you're referring to

the best result can be achieved only if started around 9-10yo.  Saying that, I'm closely watching Kai Schreiber (that's for a separate thread).

I would disagree with that "only". Some very positive experiences can be found here which always inspire me:

https://www.reddit.com/r/TransLater/

Opposed perhaps to the premise of this thread, it is also not about transforming into a "model" for most (something most cis women also are not), but being & feeling comfy in your skin & that can be the best result over all others. 

Just curious, why specifically Kai?

being a traditional fashion model (typically androgynous) is somewhat accessible for most mid-transitioners as well. hyperfem is harder to achieve

i think it is easy to look at the mean transitioner (trusts the medical establishment, limited money to pursue interventions) when "possibility" lies in that 1-2 stdev above mean range (mean genetics but with high financial + mental investment)