(29 Apr 2023, 14:48 )MasterDQ Wrote: Well, there's a fair bit to unpack there. No promises that this will be nice, but let's get into it.

Quote:Why haven't you released the transcripts after years of people posting about running into issues with the files so that people can make an informed listening decision? It would have helped/would help prevent a lot of issues.

100% agree. @bambisleep I really think this ought to be the subject of the next update on your blog (also see my DM).

Quote:but he basically used us as in the way that the files script Bambi to be programmed/used/commanded/how she would unquestioningly obey while he would also enjoy the benefits of how Bambi is programmed to have trouble to resisting or is just unable to resist obeying to whatever commands.

I can't emphasize enough how important picking your partners carefully is when it comes to sex. Any kind of sex, but especially kinky stuff. RACK & SSC are not magic phrases, and if you let someone hypnotize you, or tie you up in bondage gear, or whatever... for God's sake make sure you can trust them first. Also be aware that predators go where the prey is. If you want to hunt zebras you go to southern Africa, not Japan. Especially - ESPECIALLY - if you are a woman, then find out more about the guy before you go over to his place, where he has the only set of keys. At least us guys tend to have more muscle, which makes things safer for us if we end up dating a particularly crazy woman.

Quote:If like on your site it's meant to be real hypnosis haven't you considered that this kind of thing might come up esp with the complete lack of safeties when compared to the intensity of what's suggested and programmed in your files?

Whilst I agree that proper transcripts would be a very good idea... well, two things. First, not everyone wants safeties. Some people genuinely want to be a real bimbo, or drone, or whatever, and safeties actively work against that. Heck, just take a perfectly vanilla hypnosis file, something full of mundane positive affirmations and so on. Where are the safeties there? They're missing, and with good reason.

Second, well you are also an adult. The creator of Bambi Sleep is not responsible for how anyone else uses the files, but you are responsible for how you use them.

Quote:all the issues with doms aeady misusing the files/triggers to attempt to remove a non-consenting Bambi's agency/to override boundaries

Three different things going on here.

1. Scumbag doms. See above. There are lots of creeps and weirdos in the kink world, and YOU need to learn how to spot them. Because when you're tied up and the guy decides that no means yes, or pulls out a knife, or worse... well trying to tell him "but you signed a piece of paper" or "that's not RACK" or whatever your safeword is... won't work.

2. Removing agency. I seriously question the extent to which this is really possible in terms of free will and such, but that is perhaps too philosophical a topic.

3. Overriding boundaries. First, people often like their boundaries being pushed. Second, note that the Buzzfeed article describes you (?) waking from trance suddenly when something notably bad happened - that's your subconscious mind protecting you by snapping you out of trance. It's a common thing with hypnosis - you push too far and bam, the person is out of it.

Quote:What happened to us was awful but it could have been a lot worse. I haven't posted about all of the details about what James did but the fact he used the triggers in your files to assist as a tool (i don't just blame just the files I think he would have been abusive anyways/the files were a separate issue) and that contributed to us being sometimes put in life endangering situations/there were def times one of us could have died...like have you considered our story could have had a much worse headline and that there could be a story in the future with a worse headline?

What is the creator supposed to do realistically? You can't vet every potential user (well, maybe he's really CIA, this is all MKULTRA stuff and so he can, but...). You have a far better safety feature than anything recordable built into your own mind - hence why you can wake up from trance despite... how many weeks of being conditioned with Bambi Sleep? That's a great testament to your mental faculties BTW. James actively tried to brainwash you for literal months and your mind just said "nope, had enough".

Quote:Do you care...

The best way to avoid having anyone harmed by cars is to ban cars. But we as a society believe a few thousands maimed for life, or killed, including children, is worth it. I doubt there's anyone here that doesn't care, but that's the wrong perspective to have.

Quote:The fantasies in your files are hot af and I do enjoy the idea of them but in reality they can translate to some not so fun things.

When you feel like dating again (not if, because you're clearly a tough one, and you'll get there), look for someone with a strong moral core. Forget all the consent-obsessed, XYZ-positive people, and focus on the moral. And then, then, after you've been doing some perfectly vanilla dating, met his friends, blah blah, and all that, well then you can see about doing kinky stuff. Hell, go find the most hardcore conservative Christian church in your area, and pick up a guy there. Whatever you might think about his ultra-MAGA politics or paleolithic views on women's healthcare or whatever... you'll probably be safer with him. Plus, if you tell him you want to be his slutty stay-at-home bimbo airhead wife... 99% of the time he'll be so motivated he'll secure himself three promotions just to pay for all the latex you'll be wearing from now on!

One more thing. Police and lawyers etc these days are a hell of a lot more understanding than they used to be, so find someone qualified who knows about the law and see what can be done about James. If what he did rises to the legal definition of sexual assault then you will be doing a lot of women a favor by getting him publicly named as a predator, not to mention locked up with any luck. Whilst I'll grant that he's not had a chance to defend himself, from what I've read he's the kind of guy I'd hang just on general principles. I can understand not wanting to go near all those memories again, but I have confidence you'll be fine.

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I understand @katplanchette if some of that feels a bit like kicking you when you're down & then rubbing salt in the wounds, but I guess I've always been better at being honest than being nice. Best of luck with the future, in whatever form it takes.

(28 Apr 2023, 20:23 )wolford57 Wrote:

(27 Apr 2023, 00:14 )lurker Wrote: The real trick here is that the Bambi files are not solely hypnosis. They incorporate DID / TULPA / multiple personality features, as well as good old-fashioned conditioning. It seems like the DID-like stuff is what's doing a lot of the heavy lifting here. This is fairly interesting, and I think poorly understood.

Sorry, but I do not really buy any of that.

A lot of teenagers read The Fountainhead and decide they want to become architects. Most of them change their mind within a few weeks/months/years but a few stick with it. No hypnosis or occult forces required.

I think Bambi is much the same. It's a work of fiction that creates a compelling narrative around a character that some people identify with very strongly. And unlike most novels, it invites you to live out the story for yourself. Lots of kids read Harry Potter and wanted to become wizards, but that's not possible. But you can listen to Bambi, put on a uniform, and set up a Grindr account. There aren't many wizards, but the world is full of cocks that want to be sucked.

When your fantasies revolve in large part around giving up control, what could be more compelling than a set of files reputed to turn even the straightest of manly men into feminized, giggling bimbo sluts against their will? This is the part the creator got incredibly right.

Quote:So wanted to mention that like you should probs read a link I'm attaching for more context on how I met James

Quote:Jessica was a actually super diligent and spent since like Nov/dec of last year interviewing us/researching stuff etc but she had to leave a lot out cuz there wasn't enough space to tell the full story of everyone involved but I think she did a good job summarizing what happened & including the most relevant info.

Quote:Even in normal cults with no hypno it can get weird and people can be convinced of a lot of things. Just saw a news article about people who starved themselves to death for Jesus and like...yea you don't need hypno to make someone do something they normally wouldn't

Quote:Before I continue on this subject to be clear rn I have NO desire or intention of filing a suit civilly or reporting him criminally and if I ever did report it would be criminally.

Quote: With that said one of the reasons I took the time to message the creator so much on safety is cuz of what the lawyer said about civil suit options. He said it may be possible to file suit against James' old company because he assaulted us at their office and it's possible that we could maybe also file a civil suit against the creator of the Bambi files for negligence as well.

Quote:It's also important to acknowledge that for most people the lifestyle Bambi is programmed to have/attain is unattainable. Unless someone is wealthy and doesn't need to work or is taken care of by someone else I truly feel like most people wouldn't be able to function in the world as Bambi as the files scripts her or enjoy the experience and I speak from experience with this.

Quote:the problem is (and maybe the creator didn't foresee this) once you start living as Bambi 24/7 and achieve all the basic milestones you start to run out of easy things on your Bambi lifestyle check list that the files program you to desire/want to achieve/that make you feel like a gg. what's left after that initial list of things is achieved and your mindset as Bambi is rly solidified s the anxiety of not feeling like a gg cuz the other goals are completely unattainable at the moment/ur stuck in lifestyle limbo...which of course then effects your mindset/how you feel and creates a shitty little loop.

Quote:I did a Bambi file that reinforces safeties like the ability to reject suggestions etc but one of the things that i also did is that I used confidence and affirmations to motivate Bambi instead of anxiety/feeling like a bad girl etc.

Quote:Being involved is nice because I feel like I'm using my horrible experience to possibly help someone else avoid going through the same thing with the harm reduction resources like transcripts that I'm creating.

(29 Apr 2023, 18:50 )MasterDQ Wrote:

Quote:So wanted to mention that like you should probs read a link I'm attaching for more context on how I met James

Thanks for the link.

Quote:Jessica was a actually super diligent and spent since like Nov/dec of last year interviewing us/researching stuff etc but she had to leave a lot out cuz there wasn't enough space to tell the full story of everyone involved but I think she did a good job summarizing what happened & including the most relevant info.

I really wish these sites weren't so leery about just doing big deep dives from time to time.

Quote:Even in normal cults with no hypno it can get weird and people can be convinced of a lot of things. Just saw a news article about people who starved themselves to death for Jesus and like...yea you don't need hypno to make someone do something they normally wouldn't

100%.

Quote:Before I continue on this subject to be clear rn I have NO desire or intention of filing a suit civilly or reporting him criminally and if I ever did report it would be criminally.

That's fair.

Quote: With that said one of the reasons I took the time to message the creator so much on safety is cuz of what the lawyer said about civil suit options. He said it may be possible to file suit against James' old company because he assaulted us at their office and it's possible that we could maybe also file a civil suit against the creator of the Bambi files for negligence as well.

Both possible, and though IANAL, you do have to be careful when it comes to lawyers encouraging you to take on cases, especially in the US where the costs can be astronomical. I mean, unless you're able to do it all pro se & just spend lots of time instead of money.

Quote:It's also important to acknowledge that for most people the lifestyle Bambi is programmed to have/attain is unattainable. Unless someone is wealthy and doesn't need to work or is taken care of by someone else I truly feel like most people wouldn't be able to function in the world as Bambi as the files scripts her or enjoy the experience and I speak from experience with this.

Definitely got a point there. Bambi being successful on OnlyFans etc, or at least having a stable relationship with someone to manage her life, finances and so on is a hell of a lot different to Bambi not having anything like that.

Quote:the problem is (and maybe the creator didn't foresee this) once you start living as Bambi 24/7 and achieve all the basic milestones you start to run out of easy things on your Bambi lifestyle check list that the files program you to desire/want to achieve/that make you feel like a gg. what's left after that initial list of things is achieved and your mindset as Bambi is rly solidified s the anxiety of not feeling like a gg cuz the other goals are completely unattainable at the moment/ur stuck in lifestyle limbo...which of course then effects your mindset/how you feel and creates a shitty little loop.

That is an interesting thought; I think having well-defined material goals makes a lot of sense. "You will jog every day until you can do 5 miles in an hour" is a lot safer than "you will jog every day, increasing how far you go each day". The mental goals I'm guessing could be less well defined or more flexible, within reason. It strikes me that it's a lot easier to have no clear end goal for "you want to obey me" or "you enjoy obeying me". Anyway, that's enough theorizing.

Quote:I did a Bambi file that reinforces safeties like the ability to reject suggestions etc but one of the things that i also did is that I used confidence and affirmations to motivate Bambi instead of anxiety/feeling like a bad girl etc.

That's good. One thing I've consistently come across in my hypnosis research is that positive language works better than negative language. So rather than "you don't have any worries" you phrase it as "you are freed of any worries" or whatever.

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Quote:Being involved is nice because I feel like I'm using my horrible experience to possibly help someone else avoid going through the same thing with the harm reduction resources like transcripts that I'm creating.

Very good. The scars will fade in time, and to transform this experience into something both positive and worthwhile is an excellent result.

(29 Apr 2023, 00:32 )Like Ra Wrote:

Quote:I think Bambi is much the same. It's a work of fiction that creates a compelling narrative around a character that some people identify with very strongly.

This is exactly how Ericksonian hypnosis (and later NLP) works.

(29 Apr 2023, 17:32 )lurker Wrote: I don't blame you for not buying it. What I can say is that I attempted a LOT of bimbo hypnosis with my SO. Nothing was even close to being as effective as the Bambi files. The separate personalities were a major part of her experience.

(01 May 2023, 00:18 )wolford57 Wrote: I simply don't believe they are capable of creating an interest or urge that is not aeady there.

(01 May 2023, 00:18 )wolford57 Wrote: I don't believe tulpas are real and I don't think the files are capable of creating DID in anybody who didn't have it going in.

(01 May 2023, 00:18 )wolford57 Wrote: I want to be the more feminine version of *me*, not some alter-ego that knocks me out and drives my body around like a sack of meat.

(01 May 2023, 00:18 )wolford57 Wrote: Also, I do think all of this is more complicated when files are used in a partner dynamic, because we all do things we're not into because they make our partners happy. If my partner really wanted me to give the Bambi game a serious try, my experience with the files would likely be somewhat different.

(01 May 2023, 00:18 )wolford57 Wrote: I wish I could experience the kind of hard drop from hypnosis and files that many people claim to experience. For me, at best, I am sometimes able to get to a bit of a "flow state" and that is a good time, and even if it is just playing along I enjoy it. But I never feel the least bit out of control, and I would love to get there. I got a whiff of that the first one or two times with the Bubble Induction file, but never again. That is why I do not believe!

(28 Apr 2023, 20:08 )katplanchette Wrote: I do appreciate you confirming that for me. It does sound super similar to my voice and it doesn't help that other people have messaged me about hearing my voice in the files even when I haven't mentioned this to them/before I posted about it. It's def a relief and I'm glad it's just further confirmed that he's a lying POS. That lie always drove me up the wall because if he was involved, I would want to leave my position as a mod/admin and not knowing made me feel more uneasy about staying.
My question is...what about everything else? Sry this is gonna be a long one
---Why haven't you released the transcripts after years of people posting about running into issues with the files so that people can make an informed listening decision? It would have helped/would help prevent a lot of issues.
Why not make the resource available for informed listening/harm reduction and even professional hypnotherapists or therapists as a resource for the off chance someone sees them about issues relating to the files. I know a bunch of people both online and irl who have had to attempt to explain the files to their therapists to work through lingering problems and that scenario that a professional might need more info on the contents to help someone isn't unrealistic.
---Why would you keep making the files more extreme without somehow trying to address the issues people are aeady running into? I know you don't condone what he did to us but he basically used us as in the way that the files script Bambi to be programmed/used/commanded/how she would unquestioningly obey while he would also enjoy the benefits of how Bambi is programmed to have trouble to resisting or is just unable to resist obeying to whatever commands. If like on your site it's meant to be real hypnosis haven't you considered that this kind of thing might come up esp with the complete lack of safeties when compared to the intensity of what's suggested and programmed in your files?
With stuff like: "Ensuring automatic unthinking compliance for even the most extreme, or unexpected suggestions..." and
"She is brought under control all of her triggers causing such automatic and irresistible responses whether or not she wants them."
"Unable to remember a time she could ever do anything, but agree and obey, pleasing and serving. Reacting to her triggers, which are no longer and have never been a choice. Any trigger programmed into a puppet can never be resisted. Bambi, sleep and obey. Bambi will obey any commands from any source at any time."
"So Bambi, just snap and forget ever having the ability to disobey anybody." (and more listed here about consent: https://pastes.io/dlwlipvhf4 )
...didn't you think with the problems people were aeady having/all the issues with doms aeady misusing the files/triggers to attempt to remove a non-consenting Bambi's agency/to override boundaries that not taking action to give Bambi more safeties would possibly end up in someone being hurt? Wouldnt you want to prevent that?
---I know you said you don't condone how he used the files but why would you then script things like this, with the intention of your files being real hypnosis/knowing that if the files work as scripted that these type of suggestions without safeties could seriously get someone hurt:
"Though she knows her training is good for her and must be obeyed, subconscious reactions can sometimes get in the way. It's natural for suggestions like these to cause a momentary stiffening of the body or mind. Perhaps an instant of heightened alertness or hesitation as a weak little instinct begins considering the possibility
[00:01:32] of attempting to resist and this unwanted tension might prevent Bambi from experiencing pleasure. So from now on, it will instead be a trigger. To stiffen is to relax. To hesitate is to comply. To consider resisting is to be overcome with pleasure. Every time Bambi's mind stiffens in response to a command, she instantly and automatically relaxes as a huge wave of pleasure rolls blissfully down through her body.
[00:02:03] All tension and hesitation immediately releases flows easily out through her gently spasming pussy and has forgotten and she simply complies feeling like a good girl. So easy to just let go. Just uncontrollably relaxing every time she stiffens. Such a powerful and automatic response. Try to stiffen bambi and just instantly relax completely
[00:02:29] limp. Any sort of tension is a trigger to relax, release, and comply. All resistance instantly released from her pussy with a surge of pleasure forgetting there was ever any hesitation. Feels so good. Such a good girl, bambi. Ensuring automatic unthinking compliance for even the most extreme, or unexpected suggestions.
[00:02:53] The slightest hesitation or subconscious resistance causing her to relax, release and comply, relaxing automatically releasing all hesitation and tension through her pretty bimbo pussy with a wave of pleasure and complying helplessly with the suggestion, allowing herself to be reprogrammed like such a good girl.
[00:03:15] That background level of pleasure and arousal is always there forcing Bambi to obey. Even just the slightest stiffening of the mind as the subconscious notices something that might arouse its suspicion but it's aeady too late. The defenses can never go up. Bambi is instantly plunging down. Bambi sleep gently, coming herself down into mindless bimbo obedience, relaxing, releasing, and complying...resistance leaking out of her quivering pussy.
[00:03:47] Mental safeguards obliterated completely. Happy, blank and dumb forgetting she ever tried to question. Just blissfully inescapable obedience, everything becoming so easy. So many things are trigger to relax, release and comply. The slightest hesitation or tension, obedience and pleasure merging permanently in her mind, indistinguishable and automatic, and even when bambi is wide awake and given a trigger,
[00:04:17] when she experiences any conditioned response, when she is commanded to sleep, puts on her uniform or tries to remove it. If her mind stiffens in order to consider attempting to resist, she just immediately and helplessly relaxes. She releases and complies pleasure coursing through her weak, bimbo body as the trigger takes full and complete effect. All opposition flowing, pleasantly out through her pussy, feeling like a good girl
[00:04:46] she is brought under control. All of her triggers causing such automatic and irresistible responses whether or not she wants them. Bambi doesn't get to pick and choose even just the act of noticing a particular trigger hasn't quite achieved its intended effect is itself a trigger instantly reinforcing, overwhelming her with an effect a hundred times more powerful, forcing her into line, ensuring the correct response." - bimbo pleasure
---I get you originally made the files for yourself but at some point I think as a creator even if you make something for yourself once you share it (and esp considering regardless if you wanted one you have a patreon) you have some responsibility to the people that listen especially when there is now a community of 24k peeps on reddit n 18k on discord.
What happened to us was awful but it could have been a lot worse. I haven't posted about all of the details about what James did but the fact he used the triggers in your files to assist as a tool (i don't just blame just the files I think he would have been abusive anyways/the files were a separate issue) and that contributed to us being sometimes put in life endangering situations/there were def times one of us could have died...like have you considered our story could have had a much worse headline and that there could be a story in the future with a worse headline?
---Do you care if your files are misused and all of the situations that people have posted about for years before what happened to us happened? Do you care about the fans that listened and after reading the transcripts have had to re-evaluate their listening or stopped listening because they didn't like what was actually in the files or that your site leaves out a lot of major things? I mean how do you feel about even long time fans being turned off by the actual contents and feeling misled or that they can't listen safely/wouldn't have started listening if they had seen the transcripts earlier on? These are things so many people constantly ask/bring up/and are is wondering in comments/voice chats and dms and I am passing on those questions cuz I would also like to know your feelings on those things.
The fantasies in your files are hot af and I do enjoy the idea of them but in reality they can translate to some not so fun things. It would be different if this were just some audio erotica but like...without proper safeties/transparency the reality of those fantasies can be really unpredictable and dangerous for people who listen and I don't understand why you haven't even just released transcripts or gone into slightly more detail on your site about the files so that people can make a truly informed listening decision. Again I've had so many people comment or message me who have listened for years that are huge fans of your files that were upset to see some of the things in the transcriptions that weren't ever touched upon in any detail on your site.
I'm wondering about all of these things more than anything. Thank you again for confirming that one thing tho. It's a relief. I don't expect you to address all the points I brought up and I know you generally don't comment a ton on online threads but maybe that's part of the problem...whatever intention you released or created the files aside from what you continued to create and what you have or haven't said/done it doesn't seem to me like you are ready to be accountable to the community that has formed around your files whether you intended on that or not.
If mods on the server can step up/people who don't even listen can work to try to create resources for harm reduction/informed listening so that the people who really want to listen can enjoy your files/the people who want to avoid any of the things in the files can be informed enough to avoid them for safety or whatever other reasons then like why can't you do the same? we aren't paid/also have jobs but since you are mostly absent in these continuing discussions we are the ones being held accountable to both your fans and the people who dislike what you have made. I don't understand how so many people can find the time to do these things (including a lot of the people here) but you somehow have not been able to step up to do the same.

(01 May 2023, 00:18 )wolford57 Wrote: But this is the second really interesting trick, which is that the files tell you that it's not *you* choosing to do these things, it's this external Bambi identity that takes control against your will. So this relieves you of responsibility for having the fantasies, and by the way, it also adds to them because for many of us submissive types, the sense of loss of control is a big part of our kink.

(01 May 2023, 13:54 )bambisleep Wrote: I am happy that you are creating related content with more of that for people who want it. I’ve considered having a section for community/fan tracks on the blog before, but they often seemed to be behind bigger paywalls than my own content so I wasn’t sure if the authors would want them for download there. Maybe you would be interested.

(01 May 2023, 13:54 )bambisleep Wrote: file descriptions: I'll give you that there are probably some things that are/were unnecessarily vague. I recently updated the FAQ to emphasize the CNC themes/triggers and recommend strongly against using the files for/with anyone not fully trusted. I will go through soon and see which track descriptions could be updated to highlight particular elements. That said, I genuinely don’t believe the information on the blog is overall misleading. It’s plastered pretty clearly all over with stuff like “total obedience”, “enslavement”, “hardcore brainwashing” and the like. Not every detail is mentioned, and for much of the audience I think a little bit of a surprise is part of the attraction, but I try to say what the files do in plain english. I may have erred too much on the side of brevity but I’m really not intending to be sneaky or hide anything major.

u/likera Wrote:You do not need tiny details to understand what these files are about.

From the FAQ:

BambiSleep Wrote:What is Bambi Sleep?

Bambi Sleep is a collection of intense feminization and bimbofication hypnosis recordings designed to turn the listener into a bimbo girl called Bambi. They are hardcore adult erotic recordings and should not be listened to by minors.

The sessions cover many topics including obedience, amnesia, personality erasure, mind control, IQ reduction, body transformation, desire and addiction, cocksucking

Errrmmm... Do you REALLY need more warnings?

u/likera Wrote:

Quote:It doesn't mention anything about consent erasure/making resisting a command a trigger for compliance and that's huge.

Yes, these exact words are not used in the FAQ. But, at least for me, it's pretty much obvious. By listening to these files you give consent to become:

BambiSleep Wrote:dizzy, dumb cock-hole
helplessly dumb bimbo
perfect bimbo doll
helplessly brainless, blank and giggly
immediately incapacitated subject
completely obedient
a perfect whore for cock

And finally:

BambiSleep Wrote:She becomes completely blank except for cock. An irresistible trigger phrase is implanted deep into her mind. This trigger shuts her down completely so that her suck-hole can be used without resistance. When Bambi hears the trigger she becomes a blank mindlocked puppet with no will or awareness, no thoughts except for sucking and swallowing, and no ability to do anything but suck each cock she is presented with, until she is released.

It's clearly written in the file descriptions!

And also, I think, the percentage of REALLY affected people, like you described, is VERY small. Such people must be not only extremely suggestible, but also either traumatized or victimized.

Under no circumstances I neglect the fact of possible file abuse, because of the file nature, but so can be a hunting knife... (See? I did not say "kitchen knife", as the original purposes are different).

Again, one abused person is one too many. One abuser is one too many. I'm just against blaming files and the original creator for everything. All warnings are/were there. You have to read, think and understand by yourself, if you want to be part of it.