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RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - jadefortyfour - 29 Nov 2023
@Lycalopex Might you be speaking of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - thominhose - 29 Nov 2023
My 2 cents on that matter.
I've been dabbling with hypno content since about the start of the pandemic because having subby tendences I thought it might be fun to have something that increases the pleasure I derive from my pantyhose fetish. Coincidently the idead came up because I've seen a bunch movies by chance that had hypnosis as a plot point (get out and an Austrian series shown on Netflix that I can't remember the name of, set in 19th century Vienna - will look it up if someone is interested). Which led me to this place, obviously.
So it was clearly motivated by doing something that I wanted. Even though I had some phases where sb or Bambi content seemed irresistible to listen to on a daily basis, I never got forced into following the suggestions and so that desire wore off quickly, since there's no reward (yet?) from complying, their main themes are (currently?) too far away from my personal likes. What made me listen continuously appears to be the conditioning to the immense arousal of the trance state and especially a trigger hitting me. BUT over those years, there are many small things that I picked up from all the audio I consumed that simply seem to be a good idea now. So from my experience it is indeed the conditioning that gradually makes you prone to develop/accept ideas and behaviour/"wanting" things but not directly doing things you don't want. Brainwashing on the basis of conditioning, essentially. And I guess if one gets the conditioning hook right, the brainwashing could point towards any direction, given long enough time and absence of countermeasures.
I mean getting an ever harder hard prick and the promise of an even drowsier state of mind is way too seductive to not head down the path you're shown
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 29 Nov 2023
(29 Nov 2023, 04:20 )sam_henry Wrote:(29 Nov 2023, 00:45 )LikeĀ Ra Wrote:(28 Nov 2023, 23:51 )sam_henry Wrote: What kind of effects... which are suggested by hypnosis and which you don't want. In general. Nothing in particular. Imagine whatever you want (or, rather, don't want).
very vague
Only YOU know, what you don't want, so it's only YOU, who can be very specific about it š
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 29 Nov 2023
(29 Nov 2023, 04:38 )jadefortyfour Wrote: @Lycalopex Might you be speaking of the Dunning-Kruger effect?
This!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
Quote:The DunningāKruger effect is a cognitive bias in which people with limited competence in a particular domain overestimate their abilities.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 29 Nov 2023
Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overconfidence_effect
Illusion of control
Quote:Illusion of control describes the tendency for people to behave as if they might have some control when in fact they have none.
... and more...
Cognitive biases is an interesting subject.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - jadefortyfour - 29 Nov 2023
(29 Nov 2023, 19:23 )Like Ra Wrote: Cognitive biases is an interesting subject.
Cognitive bias framed in 'mystical terms' might be called "the circle of confusion of tonight's".
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - dustymoon1 - 29 Nov 2023
(29 Nov 2023, 19:23 )Like Ra Wrote: Cognitive biases is an interesting subject.
Very True - that could be a WHOLE TOPIC of discussion on it's own.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 29 Nov 2023
(29 Nov 2023, 20:21 )dustymoon1 Wrote: that could be a WHOLE TOPIC of discussion on its own.Yep, I was going to create one (also separate threads on propaganda, manipulations, brainwashing), but was not sure, as there can be separate thread per bias.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - jadefortyfour - 29 Nov 2023
(28 Nov 2023, 18:41 )jadefortyfour Wrote: Most of all, it was great to be around others with strong personal commitments around not expressing negative emotions.Ā
Getting back to the event which, BTW, included more than its fair share of mental health professionals presented Bambi's persona with some interesting scenarios in our imagination.
Since we 'came out' as non-binary, trans-femme during the time we've been away from this group, there was imagination about how such a declaration would be 'digested' by the w i d e mix of personalities and political viewpoints these sorts of groups attract.
There are many ways to characterize such attractions of diverse personality types, but one common denominator we've noticed is that pretty much everyone in attendance had the desire to "understand more" either about life or about something that they had observed within themselves.
These questions arise (in our experience) from the sincere and relatively consistent practice of the core principal of "self-observation". No point in asking what or why this is - as you'd need to search within yourself for the answer. Any answer we might provide would be hopelessly skewed by our personal experiences and societal conditioning. The same can be said for any criticism of such an approach since it would draw on your own "programming", which necessarily would as limited as our own set of life experiences.
This would be a real-life example of the DunningāKruger effect where we all pretty much mechanically believe that the limits of knowledge about ourselves, life and the Universe ends at the edge of our understanding of a given subject.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 29 Nov 2023
(28 Nov 2023, 14:37 )Lycalopex Wrote: No, it doesn't have "too many safeguards". That kind of thinking will get you effects that you don't want because you don't take it seriously.
I think, that was the reason, why I was unexpectedly affected by MsJ and GG (hence the first warning in this post https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Sissification-hypnosis-Warning-dangerous?pid=34246#pid34246).
(27 Nov 2023, 18:47 )sam_henry Wrote: Really hypnosis only works if the subject wants it
(27 Nov 2023, 21:24 )Like Ra Wrote: Real hypnosis makes the subject want it.
I never cared much about panties, bras, breasts (especially on myself), I even started hypno threads about it as a challenge (e.g. https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Panty-fetish-hypnosis?pid=28330#pid28330). After several years - I'm hooked now, I imagine (even against my will), that I have breasts, and I'm wearing lacy bra and panties, and that arouses me.
What absolutely does not work so far is attraction to men, all the files with such explicit or implicit suggestions led to my increased hate to men in general š