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RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - cbshackle - 12 Sep 2018
(10 Sep 2018, 22:42 )Like Ra Wrote: Not sure where to place it. I "was stumbled" upon this interesting theory: https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/75430875 It's a huge thread I did not go through yet, but the idea revolves around autogynephilia. I can't agree with most of it, but there is definitely something reasonable about it. E.g. trying to run away from responsibilities. And autogynephilia does resonate...
Also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blanchard%27s_transsexualism_typology
The whole autogynephilia theory has been used to hurt transgender women. TERFS (Trans Exclusive Radical Feminist) use this to claim that transwomen are not women and that transgender women are men with a fetish for dressing on women's clothes. (Of course transwomen like myself that are post-op blow away that train of thought but that doesn't stop them from coming up with another reason.) This reason is why I always say there is a huge difference in being a transgender woman and a cross-dresser. As a transgender woman, the only time I truly crossdressed was when I wore men's clothes, LOL.
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - Like Ra - 12 Sep 2018
(12 Sep 2018, 05:33 )cbshackle Wrote: The whole autogynephilia theory has been used to hurt transgender women.I think the autogynephilia theory does work, but it's just one of the reasons for MtF transitions. And of course it must not be used as a "blanket" reason for all TGs. Autogynephilia and the "responsibility burden" (clearly a psychological/social issue) can be the main reason for all the feminization/sissyfication/bimbofication hypno- and real-life fetishes, escapism (more "responsibility" related), etc. E.g. "if I were a woman, I wouldn't have these problems".
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - vanessa_fetish - 12 Sep 2018
(12 Sep 2018, 10:07 )Like Ra Wrote:(12 Sep 2018, 05:33 )cbshackle Wrote: The whole autogynephilia theory has been used to hurt transgender women.I think the autogynephilia theory does work, but it's just one of the reasons for MtF transitions. And of course it must not be used as a "blanket" reason for all TGs. Autogynephilia and the "responsibility burden" (clearly a psychological/social issue) can be the main reason for all the feminization/sissyfication/bimbofication hypno- and real-life fetishes, escapism (more "responsibility" related), etc. E.g. "if I were a woman, I wouldn't have these problems".
Ra, I've not met one single transitioning or post op transwoman that had autogynephilia as a reason anywhere at all.
And we need to separate the fetish from the reality. It's fine to fantasize about "if I were a woman I wouldn't have these probs" but those of us in transition or who have, know that the road is hard, and that the road has its own inherent problems. We do it because we know who we are inside, that what we essentially have is a birth defect. More and more studies show that it is not psychological in the regards that it is a mental illness, but rather that our brains are either very close to or match the brain patterns of the gender we identify with.
As a transwoman I have received flak and BS for taking the role of sissy in BDSM. I don't IDENTIFY as one, I PLAY one in the lifestyle because it is fun, I enjoy it. And it also keeps the creeps away lol.... most think a sissy is a CD/TV only so they don't come after me as much for the "chick with a dick" fantasy anymore lol. And that prob is real... when I was domme, that is all I got - creeps wanting that fantasy and not interested in my skills. Same with being a TS sub... they didn't care about my skills as a sub, they just wanted to diddle a chickie with a dickie
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - Like Ra - 12 Sep 2018
(12 Sep 2018, 20:12 )vanessa_fetish Wrote: Ra, I've not met one single transitioning or post op transwoman that had autogynephilia as a reason anywhere at all.OK, since I haven't seen any statistics I take it as granted. But! I never mentioned TS in my last two posts. What I wrote is:
(12 Sep 2018, 10:07 )Like Ra Wrote: Autogynephilia and the "responsibility burden" (clearly a psychological/social issue) can be the main reason for all the feminization/sissyfication/bimbofication hypno- and real-life fetishes, escapism (more "responsibility" related), etc.See? No TS mentioned! 😉
However, I did see (on the Internet, on the TV) that someone on hormones mentioned love to the internal woman and love to all women in general. An exception?
And here:
(10 Sep 2018, 22:42 )Like Ra Wrote: And autogynephilia does resonate...I was talking about myself. I can't say that I'm "obsessed" with femininity in general, but at least "fascinated" and "addicted" to it. Also in myself.
... or "obsessed" indeed? 😁 But I'm also "obsessed" with dicks. So, paint me autofutanariphilic 😁
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - vanessa_fetish - 13 Sep 2018
When mentioning MTF transitions ("I think the autogynephilia theory does work, but it's just one of the reasons for MtF transitions") that generally means TS or others who transition and live outside the binary imposed by society, and do so full time. Others in the trans spectrum (or TG spectrum if one prefers) do not, it is something completely different (NOT that it is any "lesser" or whatnot, please everyone get that clear!). Generally CD/TV's etc do not take hormones or live full time (like something like 99% do not).
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - vanessa_fetish - 13 Sep 2018
"However, I did see (on the Internet, on the TV) that someone on hormones mentioned love to the internal woman and love to all women in general. An exception?"
All that implies is that they are more comfy with themself now, and that they love women. I hated my assigned sex at birth, but I love myself a lot more now that I am free to live how I feel I should have.
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - Like Ra - 14 Sep 2018
(13 Sep 2018, 19:33 )vanessa_fetish Wrote: When mentioning MTF transitions ("I think the autogynephilia theory does work, but it's just one of the reasons for MtF transitions") that generally means TS or others who transition and live outside the binary imposed by society, and do so full time.Yes, you are right!
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - cbshackle - 16 Sep 2018
(13 Sep 2018, 19:33 )vanessa_fetish Wrote: ......Generally CD/TV's etc do not take hormones or live full time (like something like 99% do not).
Exactly!!!!! I would also add trans-related surgery to that as well.
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - Like Ra - 03 Dec 2018
If anybody's interested.
"Men Trapped in Men's bodies"
Narratives of Autogynephilic Transsexualism
bu Anne A. Lawrence
men-trapped-in-mens-bodies_book.pdf (Size: 1.77 MB )
RE: General TG, TS, TV and sex change thread - Like Ra - 04 Feb 2019
More about autogynephilia:
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czRFLs5JQo
Academic criticisms of autogynephilia theory:
Julia Serano, "The Case Against Autogynephilia": http://www.juliaserano.com/av/Serano-CaseAgainstAutogynephilia.pdf
Zinnia Jones, "Alice Dreger, autogynephilia, and the misrepresentation of trans sexualities": https://genderanalysis.net/2016/04/alice-dreger-autogynephilia-and-the-misrepresentation-of-trans-sexualities-book-review-galileos-middle-finger/