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RE: Psychological Types - Like Ra - 04 Jun 2024
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: I'm an "I", meaning "Introversion" trait, MBTI clearly sais not to call I-types introverts,There is a general confusion about extro/introversion. See this post: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Psychological-Types?pid=74219#pid74219
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: You can't tell your type by doing an online test.Yes
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: Your type is not clear until later in your life.Or never, or it can be seen straight away. It depends. There are "clear types" (like me, for example).
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: For this reason you need an experienced interviewer to test you.And someone who can watch you during your daily life. Also, it's better if there are two testers - duals.
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: Some peopleExactly. And those groups of similarly behaving/feeling/sensing people are called "types" 😉
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: - people are different and their minds work different, accept itYes
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: - if your are an E, learn how to be an I and vice versaNot quite. There are "I" functions and there are "E" functions. Through years we "fill in" all functions, both strong and weak ones.
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: - MBTI is pseudo-science at best, never use it a reason to do something or as excuse to be an assMBTI is a test, not a science, but this test is based on scientific researches. Is it a very trustable one-size-fits all test? Not at all. Can it show up some tendencies? Yes.
And being an asshole is separate from any typology.
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: - that online test you took is not accurate, big grain of salt there, learn to know yourself to find out what you really needYes, yes, yes, and yes.
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: I'm an INTJ for what it's worthHow do you know it?
RE: Psychological Types - Anne - 04 Jun 2024
(04 Jun 2024, 16:22 )Like Ra Wrote: How do you know it?
Because I spent 3 full days being tested and doing all kinds of exercises and interviews because my former boss believed in this stuff and sent me on MBTI training.
I have the course materials here with me, dug them out my storage box in the attic before I wrote my post.
(04 Jun 2024, 16:22 )Like Ra Wrote:(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: - MBTI is pseudo-science at best, never use it a reason to do something or as excuse to be an assMBTI is a test, not a science, but this test is based on scientific researches. Is it a very trustable one-size-fits all test? Not at all. Can it show up some tendencies? Yes.
And being an asshole is separate from any typology.
MBTI is not based on science. It's based on observations by Carl Gustav Jung who did not followed the scientific method. For some reason it got popular in HR departments of big companies and I guess it's fun to fill in a test online and compare with your friends. Don't mention science and MBTI in the same sentence to a psychiatrist.
Anyway, that's not the point I'm trying to make. I was trying to say: don't let your MBTI type be an excuse for you to put yourself down. "It's hard for me because I'm an ABCD", that's not what it's supposed to do. Don't let it be an excuse for bad behaviour of others "don't mind him, he's an WXYZ".
I'm not saying MBTI is nonsense or worthless!
These 3 days in training taught me a lot. I gained a better understanding of my fellow men and a tool to do self improvement. It opened my eyes, I learned that my colleagues reasoning works in a different way than my own even when we do the same job and come to the same conclusions in the end. Just don't confuse it with science, don't make any important decisions based on MBTI. If your hiring manager refuses a candidate because he is an ABCD and wouldn't fit in the team he is wrong. Even the trainer and the course material I got state this very clearly.
RE: Psychological Types - Like Ra - 04 Jun 2024
(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: Because I spent 3 full days being tested and doing all kinds of exercises and interviews because my former boss believed in this stuff and sent me on MBTI training.Have you tried https://uquiz.com/quiz/EUCZE1/totally-accurate-gulenko-socionics-test ?
(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: MBTI is not based on science. It's based on observations by Carl Gustav Jung who did not follow the scientific method.It was 100 years ago, I don't think nobody looked into it since then 😉 Also, Jung described only 8 types.
(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: don't let your MBTI type be an excuse for you to put yourself down.Why? All types are absolutely needed and important!
(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: "It's hard for me because I'm an ABCD",😂 Actually, this is an absolute truth. Being intuitive person, "I have no body", I'm not grounded, you can clearly tell intuitive type from sensory one. Some things are if not impossible but very difficult for me. Yes, I improved them during all these years, but they are still the weakest points.
My wife is my dual, so it's very interesting to compare realities. I'm logic, she's ethic, I'm intuitive, she's sensory, I'm extrovert, she's introvert.
Everybody has his/her strong functions/points and weak points, I don't think anybody would object to that. Typology simply groups such people. This group of people can perfectly identify personal relationships, this group are afraid of any pressure, etc.
RE: Psychological Types - brandynette - 04 Jun 2024
It's science. You postulate an idea & fix the question: which of the 16 personalities do you behave like?
To solve the issues & we collect data. We generate our individual theories. Share & try to prove our side of the theory. We collect data. We update your premise on results & new data. We generate theory of self. We share & prove our data & theory.
Rinse & repeat.
It might be psychological & well beyond hard physics facts while being wildly subjective, but we are the subjects undergoing the examinations while sharing our data & comparing.
Seems like science to meee
RE: Psychological Types - Like Ra - 05 Jun 2024
Ohhh.... please install the spell checker... Or Google will down the rating ... 😂
(04 Jun 2024, 23:46 )brandynette Wrote: Seems like science to meeeWe need a definition of what science is. According to Wiki:
Wiki Wrote:Science is a rigorous, systematic endeavour that builds and organizes knowledge in the form of testable explanations and predictions about the world.
Looks like socionics is a science with one problem - testing.
RE: Psychological Types - Lycalopex - 05 Jun 2024
(04 Jun 2024, 08:21 )Anne Wrote: MBTI is not science.
It is, however, fun.
RE: Psychological Types - Zooy - 05 Jun 2024
(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: I learned that my colleagues reasoning works in a different way than my own even when we do the same job and come to the same conclusions in the end.
During my life I learned that everybody operates according to their own personal logic, which may have not much to do with mathematical logic. If you really want to communicate with somebody, it helps a lot if you understand the other persons logic.
I am afraid that some politicians understand this way too well.
RE: Psychological Types - Anne - 05 Jun 2024
(04 Jun 2024, 21:37 )Like Ra Wrote:(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: Because I spent 3 full days being tested and doing all kinds of exercises and interviews because my former boss believed in this stuff and sent me on MBTI training.Have you tried https://uquiz.com/quiz/EUCZE1/totally-accurate-gulenko-socionics-test ?
I didn't but now I do:
Quote:Your Result:
INTJ, LII
The LII has a well developed ability for logical analysis and is capable of clearly distinguishing the primary from the secondary. Creating structures, classifications, concepts is in LII’s style. Once he has figured out the problem, he presents new solutions. He is objective and impersonal, at times even harsh in his evaluations and in his principles. If he is not satisfied with some guidelines or regulations, he may simply ignore them.
(04 Jun 2024, 21:37 )Like Ra Wrote:My MBTI training was 10 years ago and nobody had realy look into it by then. Not in a scientific way. So unless that happened in the last 10 years I stand by my words. I'm not saying it's wrong because of this but there is no proof. From personal experience I can say that healthcare professionals roll their eyes when you mention MBTI, my psycholochist does not even discuss it when I bring it up.(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: MBTI is not based on science. It's based on observations by Carl Gustav Jung who did not follow the scientific method.It was 100 years ago, I don't think nobody looked into it since then 😉 Also, Jung described only 8 types.
(04 Jun 2024, 21:37 )Like Ra Wrote:That's not what I meant. What I'm trying to say is: do not let your type dictate who you are. You did some test and you got a label. Don't let the label define you, you are who you are regardless of the label. Use the test result to learn more. MBTI helps to identify your "weak" areas. Nurish your strong points and improve on your weak ones. Become more complete, grow as a person.(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: don't let your MBTI type be an excuse for you to put yourself down.Why? All types are absolutely needed and important!
(04 Jun 2024, 21:37 )Like Ra Wrote:(04 Jun 2024, 21:07 )Anne Wrote: "It's hard for me because I'm an ABCD",😂 Actually, this is an absolute truth. Being intuitive person, "I have no body", I'm not grounded, you can clearly tell intuitive type from sensory one. Some things are if not impossible but very difficult for me. Yes, I improved them during all these years, but they are still the weakest points.
My wife is my dual, so it's very interesting to compare realities. I'm logic, she's ethic, I'm intuitive, she's sensory, I'm extrovert, she's introvert.
Everybody has his/her strong functions/points and weak points, I don't think anybody would object to that. Typology simply groups such people. This group of people can perfectly identify personal relationships, this group are afraid of any pressure, etc.
Yes! You improved your weak points. They are still not your strongest but you improved! Fill in a questionaire and get a list things you should try to work on to grow!
It's like my nephew with autism. Lots of trouble at school, then he got tested, got a label, got help and is doing fine now. Still the same person but the label helped him get the help he needed to grow.
I used to be the quiet kid getting passed over, getting ignored. This continued into my working life. I actively worked on my communication skills, verbally and non verbally, improved a lot and became more "extroversion". This still doesn't come naturally to me, I'm still an I type, very much so, but it does get easier over the years because I kept putting in the work and it did wonders for my career. I also know I have to schedule some quiet time for myself to recharge. I could have maybe figured this out on my own eventually but MBTI was a great help to make me realise this and identify what I needed to do.
So yes, by all means, take the test results and go on learn more about yourself. It helped me a lot. But don't confuse it with science. Don't judge people based on their type because, as explained, people can improve their weak points, fail to nurture their strong points, be lazy, be assholes, be amazing,... regardless of their type.
RE: Psychological Types - madjack - 05 Jun 2024
I'm not a alphabet of acronyms - I'm a free man!
😁
I have a very healthy level of scepticism about any 'test' or 'assessment' that takes place in less than a month of observing someone closely in their natural habitat (home, office, whatever).
But, more out of curiosity than anything else, I did take this test https://uquiz.com/quiz/EUCZE1?p=3406913
And apparently I'm:
ENFP, IEE - Insightful: keenly discerns the motives of other people. Gravitates towards the capable and the extraordinary personalities. Knows how to cheer up someone, how to instill hope. Advises on ways out of difficult life situations
Oh, and for the record, I have even less faith in test questions and result that includes so many speeeeeling mistakes!!!
Personally I always think of myself simply as: MJ
MJ
RE: Psychological Types - Like Ra - 05 Jun 2024
(05 Jun 2024, 11:19 )madjack Wrote: I have even less faith in test questions and result that includes so many speeeeeling mistakes!!!I'm going to contact the guy, who entered the test onto that site. Apparently, the original test comes from Gulenko- one of the socionics "fathers". So, it should be in Russian, then translated to English by someone. I can not findd the test on Gulenko's site, but they conduct paid testing.
https://socioniks.net/en/