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RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - subdream - 15 Dec 2023
(15 Dec 2023, 20:31 )shinybambi Wrote:(15 Dec 2023, 19:43 )subdream Wrote: Just one side note about consent. It is only valid when given voluntarily, clearly and while able to choose after being informed exactly about what will happen when and who will do it - not what could happen.
And can still be revoked retroactively if person changes their mind later.
Consent is a really "funny" topic for discussion.
Is my name on this forums consensual? Name of this subforum? Thread? Subreddit? All of those intentionally contain triggers.
Intentionally? So the name of the forum was chosen with triggering people in mind? I would guess the intent was to use the name of the hypnosis series.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - shinybambi - 15 Dec 2023
(15 Dec 2023, 20:33 )subdream Wrote: Intentionally? So the name of the forum was chosen with triggering people in mind? I would guess the intent was to use the name of the hypnosis series.Knowing well it's a trigger.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 15 Dec 2023
(15 Dec 2023, 20:32 )subdream Wrote:(15 Dec 2023, 20:18 )Like Ra Wrote: Please explain to me, what kind of consent is needed to close the "unwanted" browser tab?
I don't get it.
Ain't we talking about giving some kind of additional explicit consents to an (a
eady known in advance) sex/fetish-related chat over the Internet? Don't like the chat - just close the tab, that's it.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - subdream - 15 Dec 2023
(15 Dec 2023, 20:53 )shinybambi Wrote: Knowing well it's a trigger.I will still talk about bambi (the film) even knowing it's atrigger. That doesn't make it wrong. Knowing something isn't intent.
(15 Dec 2023, 21:03 )Like Ra Wrote: Ain't we talking about giving some kind of additional explicit consents to an (aThat is the digital equivalent of saying: if somebody touches your pussy, just walk away. Or: if somebody kicks you in the groin, just walk away.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 16 Dec 2023
(15 Dec 2023, 22:17 )subdream Wrote: That is the digital equivalent of saying: if somebody touches your pussy, just walk away. Or: if somebody kicks you in the groin, just walk away.Wrong analogy on many levels. Beginning with: there is no physical contact or even close proximity with chatting using Internet browsers. 😊
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Lycalopex - 16 Dec 2023
Ra, I think the disconnect here is that while yes, one can simply close the relevant tab, in the context of hypnotic triggers the "damage" might a
eady be done. If someone is receptive to text triggers, then closing the tab ceases being an option. I don't think you're intentionally not getting the point, but I feel like there's a difference in how we're looking at the topic where some of us see a problem and others don't.I'm going to stray away from the strictly Bambi Sleep-related topic to try to present my point with an example from my own life to see if it helps bridge the gap we're seeing here.
A handful of years ago, I was single, inexperienced with what was a fairly new concept to me in erotic hypnosis, and letting that leak just a little too far past what would be a healthy boundary and past the then-shallow cognitive defenses I've since built up. I encountered a hypnodom that was approachable enough for me to get into a dialogue with, and we started chatting on the platform YouMustObey (a hypnosis-focused social media which I no longer frequent). Sparing the play-by-play details, I found myself triggered into a state where I was willing to not only enter a voice call with him, but also to give him my phone number. I was very aware of what I was doing, I was even growing increasingly nervous and getting bad vibes off of him, but when I tried to withdraw, I'd just be triggered again, and couldn't bring myself to fully pull away. I ended up having to wait until we weren't talking anymore to block his number and completely cut ties between our online presences. This was thankfully before I started using Discord, because if it had been on there then I'm not sure I could have gone through with all that.
For the record, I don't think sam_henry was being malicious (a bit rude, but not dastardly or anything) and was more just catfishing for roleplayers rather than intending to do anything harmful. But I think that that sort of behavior does set a nasty precedent that can very quickly get away from just testing to see if someone is faking it or not, because if a malicious party does find someone receptive to text triggers, then that's much worse than whatever sam_henry was doing.
And again, giving consent to one thing does not necessarily mean you give consent to another. I'm not entirely sure what point is trying to be made with "it can be retroactively withdrawn", but I feel like it's kind of missing the point, because from what little we see of that conversation it doesn't seem like there was anything retroactive at all. I also don't understand the whole thing about the title of the series being used as a non-consensual trigger, because there is a difference between just using the series's title and intentionally triggering a specific person.
this is why open triggers are dangerous, folks
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - shinybambi - 16 Dec 2023
(16 Dec 2023, 00:43 )Lycalopex Wrote: And again, giving consent to one thing does not necessarily mean you give consent to another. I'm not entirely sure what point is trying to be made with "it can be retroactively withdrawn", but I feel like it's kind of missing the point, because from what little we see of that conversation it doesn't seem like there was anything retroactive at all.
The point is, given informed consent means nothing nowadays, because it can be revoked later in time if other party changed their mind later, it's not exactly related to whatever was said in leaked conversations and reddit.
(16 Dec 2023, 00:43 )Lycalopex Wrote: I also don't understand the whole thing about the title of the series being used as a non-consensual trigger, because there is a difference between just using the series's title and intentionally triggering a specific person.
"Bambi Sleep" is a well defined deep trance inducing trigger and the base trigger of the whole series, alongside with name "Bambi" being a trigger to become Bambi. How's reading them in chat different from reading them on other page? "Unintentionally" triggering unspecific person is ok?
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Lycalopex - 16 Dec 2023
(16 Dec 2023, 01:13 )shinybambi Wrote: The point is, given informed consent means nothing nowadays,I vehemently disagree with this.
Quote:because it can be revoked later in time if other party changed their mind later,This is how consent works, yes.
Quote:it's not exactly related to whatever was said in leaked conversations and reddit.My point with this was that, having only a snapshot into the conversation, the other person's reaction very much gives the impression that consent was never given for those triggers to be used, rather than consent being given and then revoked.
Quote:"Bambi Sleep" is a well defined deep trance inducing trigger and the base trigger of the whole series, alongside with name "Bambi" being a trigger to become Bambi. How's reading them in chat different from reading them on other page? "Unintentionally" triggering unspecific person is ok?Because if it's directed at you, then it's intentional. If not, it isn't. In short, yes! Unintentionally triggering someone is not your fault.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - shinybambi - 16 Dec 2023
(16 Dec 2023, 01:41 )Lycalopex Wrote: Because if it's directed at you, then it's intentional. If not, it isn't. In short, yes! Unintentionally triggering someone is not your fault.It's not directed at "you", but it is intentional, because whoever used it as a sub name knew it is a well defined trigger.
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Lycalopex - 16 Dec 2023
(16 Dec 2023, 01:55 )shinybambi Wrote:(16 Dec 2023, 01:41 )Lycalopex Wrote: Because if it's directed at you, then it's intentional. If not, it isn't. In short, yes! Unintentionally triggering someone is not your fault.It's not directed at "you", but it is intentional, because whoever used it as a sub name knew it is a well defined trigger.
It's... a sub about the series. What else were they supposed to call it?