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RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 27 May 2020
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: I think we got caught in a problem of semantics in the past few posts.Always! 😁
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: I am more referring to "free" while you evolved to the "free of".They do not exist without each other, do they? Like "bad" without "good", "North" without "South", "girls" without "boys"... Hang on... I doubt about the latter...
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: the discussion started out about "free will". That is a tricky thing.Yes 😉
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: The catholic church always denied that animals have a spirit, and if evolution is right, neither should humans.Yes!
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: Applying classical mechanics, if the in-state and the external stimulus are fixed, the outcome is fixed.Yes!
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: This is of course for now totally outside the realm of science.I would say, that quantum physics is outside of the realm of common sense either 😁
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: Although it does not have this scientific reasoning I believe this is in line with what Buddhism advocates.Buddhism is very scientific, because it's based on facts, experiments, discussions. In fact, it's even more scientific and "independent", because of absence of dogmas, the necessity to fight for grants, and the Hirsch index fetish. I remember the Dalai lama once said, (loosely quoting) "If the science proves, that our points are wrong, we will have to reconsider them".
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: Unfortunately we are now in the field of philosophy and formal experiments do not exist.What means we are "free" to make any guess and "freely" discuss it, using formal logic (just like they did in India thousands years ago, that why Buddhism began to win over Hinduism in India and Taoism/Confucianism in China).
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: Hence we may not know an answer to this question for a long time to come, if ever.Yes! And my current point is - "free will" is an oxymoron 😉
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 04 Jun 2020
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: 2. "free of" as in "free of worries" or "free of obsessions".And there is a reason for that: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-General-hypnosis-discussion?pid=30393#pid30393 😉
I am more referring to "free" while you evolved to the "free of".
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 02 Oct 2020
(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: Then comes quantum mechanics and it makes it all completely unclear.
Quantum mechanics vs common sense
Take a look at these three statements:
- When someone observes an event happening, it really happened.
- It is possible to make free choices, or at least, statistically random choices.
- A choice made in one place can't instantly affect a distant event. (Physicists call this "locality".)
and pick any two, you can't have all three 😊
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-020-0990-x
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-new-quantum-paradox-throws-the-foundations-of-observed-reality-into-question
https://www.space.com/quantum-paradox-throws-doubt-on-observed-reality.html
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - HypnoMix - 29 Nov 2022
(02 Oct 2020, 01:04 )Like Ra Wrote:(27 May 2020, 08:57 )Zooy Wrote: Then comes quantum mechanics and it makes it all completely unclear.
Quantum mechanics vs common sense
Take a look at these three statements:
- When someone observes an event happening, it really happened.
- It is possible to make free choices, or at least, statistically random choices.
- A choice made in one place can't instantly affect a distant event. (Physicists call this "locality".)
and pick any two, you can't have all three 😊
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-020-0990-x
https://www.sciencealert.com/a-new-quantum-paradox-throws-the-foundations-of-observed-reality-into-question
https://www.space.com/quantum-paradox-throws-doubt-on-observed-reality.html
A neat test anyone can do with a deck of cards. Just remove all jacks, queens, and kings. Then leave A's and 2-10's. Shuffle really good and cut the deck if you want.
Now, any possibilities exist until you see the top card. Guess a number 1-10. The aces are low, so that is number 1. If you guess say 6 then flip the card over. If you're right, keep the card. If you're wrong, place it out in front and build a board of cards, so you know what's not in the deck, so you don't guess 6 if all 4 sixes are a
eady out of the deck. Fun way to keep your mind sharp as well. If you got a super memory, then don't build a board of cards and discard the wrong guesses. That's the expert version. I do the easy version myself cause my memory sucks!!! lol.So I pick 1 and 3
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 29 Nov 2022
(29 Nov 2022, 02:04 )HypnoMix Wrote: A neat test anyone can do with a deck of cards.What is this test supposed to tell?
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - HypnoMix - 29 Nov 2022
(29 Nov 2022, 02:28 )Like Ra Wrote:(29 Nov 2022, 02:04 )HypnoMix Wrote: A neat test anyone can do with a deck of cards.What is this test supposed to tell?
Well, it's the observer effect. Like 1 and 0 at the same time. All possibilities exist until you see the first card. Then as you go through the deck, your choice when you try to guess the card is the locality effect.
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - HypnoMix - 29 Nov 2022
Uh the movie the matrix? "You a
eady made the choice, now you have to understand it."Edit,
so the choice is 6 right, then flip over the card. Right or wrong. That's you understanding the choice.
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - HypnoMix - 29 Nov 2022
Mystery solved if you ask me. 😁
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - HypnoMix - 29 Nov 2022
Source: https://youtu.be/1qdyNoe3q2A
RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 29 Nov 2022
(29 Nov 2022, 02:51 )HypnoMix Wrote: "You a
(28 Nov 2018, 02:35 )Like Ra Wrote: Did you know that the brain makes decisions up to 30 seconds before we consciously know about it? Moreover, the brain sends a calming signal telling that it's "us" who made the decision.