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Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 28 Nov 2018

"Free will" was mentioned several times in many threads. Let's a have a dedicated one.

What are your thoughts on "free will" and "free choice"?


RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 28 Nov 2018

Did you know that the brain makes decisions up to 30 seconds before we consciously know about it? Moreover, the brain sends a calming signal telling that it's "us" who made the decision.

Some materials on the subject:

http://exploringthemind.com/the-mind/brain-scans-can-reveal-your-decisions-7-seconds-before-you-decide
https://www.rt.com/shows/sophieco/372802-mind-theory-brain-work/


RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 10 Apr 2019

Interesting phrase, I totally agree with: "Without self-observation there is no free will".

And a quite precisely worded (long) article: https://www.quora.com/Can-we-prove-that-we-have-free-will


RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 10 Apr 2019

We must believe in free will. We have no choice
― Isaac B. Singer

Man can indeed do what he wants, but he cannot want what he wants
― Arthur Schopenhauer


RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Strappado - 10 Apr 2019

If the brain takes the decision and then sends "us" a message to calm down, who do you think, is the brain?

It is quite obvious, that not all decisions are made consciously, but there is no evidence, that we are controlled form elsewhere.

But after all, I think, it has first to be found out, what self-awareness is (or rather, who/what is actually aware) , before we can start answering the question of free will. As long as there is no physical/chemical explanation for this, physics/chemistry is not in charge of the answer about free will.

Until then, it is a matter of belief. And believe me, I don't want to redeem criminals by saying, there is no free will, they had no choice but to become, what they are... But since humans always want answers, we have created philosophy. The only downside of philosophy is, that all answers, that it gives, are debatable.

PS: Nobody forced me to post this post. Perhaps, it was just an act of free will. But perhaps, I was only following my (perhaps genetically defined) disposition to enjoy impossible debates and this post is just a result of having an opportunity at the right moment? Who knows...


RE: Does free will exist? Do we have a choice? - Like Ra - 11 Apr 2019

Yep, what "I" is is still unknown to the Western science.

But still, my "I" thinks, that we both have free will and have no free will, and it's one of those "collapsed binaries" or "empty terms". Apparently, it should be obvious to the enlightened, or in one of the dhyana states or samadhi..