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RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Like Ra - 25 Sep 2018 I was "listening to" this song "in my head" for some time, then had a look in youtube and found this alternative version. At first I thought that the original version is more "right", I clearly preferred the familiar Jim's singing, OTOH, I think Manzarek was doing something different here, and I always loved his "meditations": Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_LMAINrHbQ Quote:The song was performed live only twice, on the L.A. Woman tour at State Fair Music Hall, Dallas, TX. and at The Warehouse in New Orleans, Louisiana, on December 12, 1970. This was The Doors' last public performance with Jim Morrison. It was only the second date of the tour, but was also the last, as the tour was cancelled after this concert. And this is how it was created: Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3deQXzV-qTk RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Dworkin - 28 Sep 2018 Greetings there All. Like Ra and I seem to have dominated this thread with all about King Crimson so I'll only add a bit more related and then switch to the topic of drummers. Bill Bruford used to play with Yes, a very successful commercial band from decades ago that was heard on both Top 40 AM and FM. Yes was popular twice as they had a comeback years after their initial success. Bill left (as I recall) in the middle of a USA tour for the same reasons I always had with many that I played with- as a very talented and multibeat percussionist he was relegated with Yes to be basically a timekeeper and was not allowed to showcase his talents. Get a beat box if you just want someone to keep the beat. He was much more at home with Bob Fripp and company and also was the "other" drummer with Genesis after Peter Gabriel left when Phil Collins, their drummer took over the vocals as well as still playing drums but was not able to both all the time. That particular concert was fantastic as the two had a fab flow and it was one of the only concerts I have ever been to where everyone in the audience was actually in the audience. In other words, there were exceedingly few in the halls and the concession stands were empty. Also, Genesis was known as a "musicians band" for their precision live. There are some early live recording well worth the listening and "Trick of the Tail" was their first release after Peter left and another excellent example of superb progressive rock. As to "other drummers, Mitch Mitchel with Jimi Hendrix was a jazzer that fit very well with Jimi's free form guitar style and was a considerable influence on me. He had a classic drum setup- big bass drum with a tom tom and two floor toms very like Buddy Rich. And, he used Zildjian cymbals which I consider to be the finest cymbals ever made. He was a very "busy" sort with allsorts of fills and never sat still and like Jimi could be soft when needed. Left us too soon unfortunately though the "Experience" is immortal. I know I was going to get away from King Crimson but would be remiss were I not to mention Michael Giles whose style even after decades of listening continues to astound me. His technical timing never fails to catch my ear. He was only on the first album and try as I tried, I never came close to emulating his technique. Related was Carl Palmer from Emerson, Lake and Palmer who had a more straight forward style and with the same drum set up as Buddy Rich and Mitch Mitchel. He as also a fine influence on my style and that first ELP recoding is still one of my favs. I got to see them at the time and was and still am blown away by the affair. He was ( as still is as he is still around) simply proficient as a multi talented drummer though I have made note that he appears to be using two bass drums now instead of one. And gosh, he has gray hair... Phil Collins as mentioned with Genesis is another that I still relish, have seen numerous times and still am unable to discern how he did what he did. His back gave out and he has since quit drumming and again, the sonics remain in bank for any with interest. He also had side projects, one of note was Brand X where he explored a decidedly jazz oriented cant and any that only know Phil for his vocals need only to take a listen to Nuclear Burn which will dispel any notion that Phil could not play drums. He was another multi talented musician playing both guitar and keyboard quite well. Technically he was (probably still is) left handed and set his drums up accordingly. When I saw him solo he also played a Fender Strat that was the same color and model I have, a dark sunburst that he played it "upside down" same as Jimi Hendrix did as he was/is a lefty. Good singer, far better drummer. On another side note, he played with Robert Fripp a number of times, live and on Robert's solo works. One much overlooked drummer is Jon Heisman, an English drummer most notable for involvement in Colosseum of which there were two versions, one in the later 1960's and one later that was more electronically oriented. He is another that had a not sit still fluid style that while busy was not overpowering, another I admire. He also played with many other musicians including Jack Bruce though most of these were as a session drummer. He is another that never fails to sparkle when I listen and have always lamented he never got more credit in the music world proper though that is as I've made plain often it is not uncommon among artists of any caliber. My main beef I that marginal talent gets sucked up by the mindless masses who would not know real talent were it dumped on them. Anyway, that's some of my fav drummers. There are others along with groups and particularly guitarists. Let me leave off with this: As Like Ra mentioned a liking for poly rhythmic beats, Gene Krupa might be worth your ears. He was a powerhouse (big band era) driver and a little redundant for my tastes but another I well respect and had chance to see (briefly) from the sidewalk in 1967 (NYC) before the bouncers shooed me away and later at a Detroit suburb high school were I got to meet and talk with him on stage where he answered every question I posed, along with everyone else's (for over an hour!) which left a severe impression on me as so many "stars" have so little time for any that have an interest in a "celebrity". I vowed that were I ever in position to wow folks I'd be just like him as fans are like minor Gods. Tipples for now, Dworkin RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Like Ra - 29 Sep 2018 (28 Sep 2018, 23:28 )Dworkin Wrote: On another side note, he played with Robert Fripp a number of times, live and on Robert's solo works.Who? Phil Collins? Wow... Didn't now that... (28 Sep 2018, 23:28 )Dworkin Wrote: Gene Krupa might be worth your ears.Checking now... RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Like Ra - 29 Sep 2018 Since we are talking about drummers... An amazing drummer Roy "Futureman" Wooten with his last gen drumitar: Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy1rKA-0ExM RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Dworkin - 29 Sep 2018 Quote:On another side note, he played with Robert Fripp a number of times, live and on Robert's solo works.Who? Phil Collins? Wow... Didn't now that... Bob Fripp had a lot of folks that were on his solo and related works. Many were "one timers" but one must consider that in England proper back when that anyone who was anyone pretty much knew or at least was aware of everyone and getting together was basically a matter of how well they could get along. Steve Winwood from Traffic played on one of the early Crimson albums as well as less notable though still viable lesser knowns. Lots of musicians don't really care if they "make" it, they play to play, some choosing obscurity and become much better known after their life than when they were around (and occasionally make their publishers rich.) There are oodles of session players that rarely if ever hit a stage that play and have played with many that few outside music circles would ever know existed. A great example was the Detroit Motown collection where copious amounts of music from the era were produced in then a little known (and literally quite little) studio. When one thinks about it, how much room does one need to craft their craft? The final output to the listener (or recipient) of any work seldom has any idea from whence it originated, from a well lighted comphy studio or study to a dumpy shack (in more than one case, recordings have been made in abandoned though modified raioad cars) to books written in a windowless closet. Associations can and do produce some fantastic works and lucky those that are able to enjoy. Best, Dworkin RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Like Ra - 29 Sep 2018 (21 Sep 2018, 11:49 )Like Ra Wrote: with Omar Hakim!!! on drumsSince I mentioned him. I love his precise, clean, distinctive, powerful, energetic, sharp, never overdone style: And he's fun to watch: Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TF8QxlyJ_Ms Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtlPgkPM7Sw RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Like Ra - 29 Sep 2018 BTW, easily the most known work of Omar Hakim is here: Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0 And here's the story behind it: Quote:https://www.soundonsound.com/people/classic-tracks-dire-straits-money-nothing Now compare the studio version with a live one without Omar (and Sting), but with Eric Clapton: Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zOjRlVpAOQ RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Zooy - 29 Sep 2018 Let me sound a dissanant here. I am into classical music. But I also like John Adams. The dharma at big sur is realy fantastic. RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Like Ra - 29 Sep 2018 (29 Sep 2018, 18:52 )Zooy Wrote: But I also like John Adams.Any links/Youtube/Vevo videos? RE: Favourite, interesting or "playing now" music - Dworkin - 29 Sep 2018 Like Ra Wrote:with Omar Hakim!!! on drums Simply Excellent! You are right, he does not overplay nor overpower. I used to get flak for not being "loud" enough. I'm just not nor ever have been a beater. Omar is what is called an "open hand" drummer in that he holds his sticks in both hands the same way as opposed to the "classic" manner. Phil Collins was also. And Omar does not miss a beat- his choice and use of cymbals is fantablous as I LOVE cymbals. And God, what a light touch! Thanks Boss. He is one I need to investigate investing in. I only watched the first vid and have to say, were I to move like that (which I did) I would have been soaked in sweat and he makes it look so flowingly effortless. Thanks yet again for opening this vista. And anther thing I made note about- he smiles or at the least does not have that serious look that soooooo many self important musicians display and as the article makes plain, his karma puts others at ease which I need say relates to an unusually healthy ego. Just a smashingly great drummer. Tipples, Dworkin |