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RE: Femininity - Like Ra - 22 Mar 2020
(22 Mar 2020, 11:19 )no smile Wrote: I think Likera is trying to make a sum-up of your position which is quite a challenge with all our discussion/divergence/...I'm literally drawing a picture 😊 And that makes me think more...
RE: Femininity - princesitanatty - 24 Mar 2020
(22 Mar 2020, 13:12 )Like Ra Wrote:See this text, it's very interesting: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sexual-personalities/201605/sex-and-gender-are-dials-not-switches%3famp(22 Mar 2020, 11:19 )no smile Wrote: I think Likera is trying to make a sum-up of your position which is quite a challenge with all our discussion/divergence/...I'm literally drawing a picture 😊 And that makes me think more...
RE: Femininity - Like Ra - 25 Mar 2020
Was experimenting with various editors. Ended up with LibreOffice Drawing + Gimp:
The idea behind this diagram is to bring physical, anatomical, personal and social-expectational criteria together. What do you think?
RE: Femininity - Like Ra - 25 Mar 2020
Another iteration.
RE: Femininity - no smile - 25 Mar 2020
Well, that's a start but what do you state in men and women? Sex or Gender?
RE: Femininity - Like Ra - 25 Mar 2020
(25 Mar 2020, 09:26 )no smile Wrote: Sex or Gender?Yes
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RE: Femininity - princesitanatty - 27 Mar 2020
I don't understand the graphic, could you explain it?
I guess the circles are defined by biological sex, and the intersection of the circles includes the traits shared by men and women. But most traits can be present both in men or women, with different probabilities. So most traits will be located in the intersection. Is this the correct interpretation?
RE: Femininity - Like Ra - 27 Mar 2020
(25 Mar 2020, 09:26 )no smile Wrote: Sex or Gender?Funny, I think even 5 years ago this question would not arise. And now I expected this question, and it took me quite a while to think about the answer 😁
I would say - sex first. Gender is secondary, because this concept appears much later in the physical body and it's mostly a social thing.
RE: Femininity - Like Ra - 27 Mar 2020
(27 Mar 2020, 00:14 )princesitanatty Wrote: I don't understand the graphicTo be honest, I don't quite understand it either, and I don't think this is the last version.
(27 Mar 2020, 00:14 )princesitanatty Wrote: I guess the circles are defined by biological sexYes
(27 Mar 2020, 00:14 )princesitanatty Wrote: the intersection of the circles includes the traits shared by men and women.Yes. Like two legs, two arms, one nose, etc.
(27 Mar 2020, 00:14 )princesitanatty Wrote: Is this the correct interpretation?Yes.
I'm not sure how to properly define the rest. For example, he society expectation plays important role here, think of long necks, drilled teeth, extreme fatness in some African tribes or corsets in the Victorian era. That's what I called "Socially approved". But at the same time it must be aesthetically pleasant for the particular person. In some cases it corresponds to what's socially approved. What is not approved (but still desirable by that individual) might be considered a "forbidden fruit", "filthy/asocial behaviour", or something what "must not be shown". In my mind, "femininity/masculinity", should always be associated (consciously or subconsciously) with something positive, desirable and approved by the society. In other words, it's pretty and not something to be ashamed of.
RE: Femininity - no smile - 27 Mar 2020
How, you think manspreading (which you identified as masculine gesture) is a positive and desirable way to sit?