(02 Dec 2020, 00:37 )Like Ra Wrote: I think you do not understand the definition of CIS.

(02 Dec 2020, 00:35 )Hazel Wrote: being a cis man is someone who's inner gender identity conforms to their outer sex.

(01 Dec 2020, 22:51 )Like Ra Wrote:

(01 Dec 2020, 06:08 )Hazel Wrote:

(01 Dec 2020, 00:22 )Like Ra Wrote:

(30 Nov 2020, 00:28 )Hazel Wrote: I don't think you will really understand if you are a (cis) guy.

Of course not! A CIS guy can never understand another CIS guy!

It's not really polite after I repeatedly asked you not to refer to me as a cis guy, to continue calling me a cis guy...just because I do not have a female body or can't transition. That's what I hate about myself and also that society sees and treats people as who they are on the outside rather than who they really are on the inside. If a woman on this forum replies to you, you would probably never even think to reply back with him, he or guy because that would be rude, disrespectful and plain wrong.

Where did I refer to you in this sentence? 😁 I did not mean you AT ALL! . And I did not mean myself in this phrase 😁 It was a simple egocentric trap you fell in!!! For some reasons, you take personally everything what is written here  - you think that everybody is talking about you, and all I write is only about you, and I'm like a strict parent deny your point of view and object to anything you come up with, so you keep arguing, however you are arguing with yourself! You are fighting with your own desires, wishes, ideals, intentions, you are in a constant internal dialogue, "internal discord", internal dispute, what is fully understandable and normal. However it's always amazing to watch. The most spectacular discussion was between me and @gunz in this thread, which ended up very funny and ridiculous at the same time: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-General-TG-TS-TV-and-sex-change-thread?pid=40473#pid40473


Anyway, follow the logic:

-it's not possible for one person to understand another (yes, they can discuss something, they can agree on something, but they will never understand each other, e.g. what the real intentions are, what was actually meant or desired, etc) - I said it here many times, also in conversations with you
- a CIS guy is a person
- hence A CIS guy can never understand another CIS guy

This is a pure mathematical logic, no argumentum ad hominem 😊 Rather a mathematical joke based on the added pun - your mentioning that a CIS guy will definitely not understand 😁

(02 Dec 2020, 00:41 )Like Ra Wrote:

(02 Dec 2020, 00:37 )Like Ra Wrote: I think you do not understand the definition of CIS.

Ha! Almost simultaneously!

(02 Dec 2020, 00:35 )Hazel Wrote: being a cis man is someone who's inner gender identity conforms to their outer sex.

Yes, you are right, this is also what's written in Wiki. My understanding was indeed different, to reiterate:

- Transgender is the one who is transitioning or has transitioned
- CIS person is the one who is living the life of the same gender as the "assigned sex"

So yes, our definitions are different. So, by calling you a CIS-guy I meant that "you are living a life of a guy, corresponding to your sex".

Yep, misunderstandings...

(01 Dec 2020, 22:55 )Like Ra Wrote:

(01 Dec 2020, 05:46 )Hazel Wrote:

Quote:Where do you feel it? What do males do differently, when they close their eyes?

Lol, are you suggesting that the subjective mental experience of women don't exist? Yes Like Ra, we are all men in body, mind and spirit according to you

Again, I asked you a question. I did not state anything, however you "assumed" something you are internally arguing with and assigned it to me (isn't it called projection?). And without answering a question again 😁

(01 Dec 2020, 05:49 )Hazel Wrote:

Quote:See what I mean? I feel myself absolutely sexless, genderless, or generally bodyless.

Then you might want to look into non-binary and agender identities.

Did you read the whole phrase? Did you see "WHEN I CLOSE MY EYES..." ? 😁

(01 Dec 2020, 22:20 )Like Ra Wrote: Sorry, this is logically and mathematically wrong:

If transwoman = woman => woman = transwoman. Is you mother a transwoman? Neither is mine, hence the statement woman = transwoman is wrong, hence the original statement transwoman = woman is also wrong.

(01 Dec 2020, 22:55 )Like Ra Wrote: And without answering a question again

(01 Dec 2020, 23:34 )Like Ra Wrote:

(01 Dec 2020, 05:56 )Hazel Wrote: the sense of an incongruency of my female gender identity and what I see in the mirror.

I fully understand this, and I know this feeling exactly.  Hence I asked about your feelings when you CLOSE YOUR EYES.
No mirror, no photo, no hands/legs in your field of view.
Just blackness.
Just a black hole.
No visualization.
No past.
No future.
Only now.
Only the sound of the bloodstream in your ears.
Only the pressure of the surface you sit or lie on.
Only rhythmic breathing.
Just blackness.
No memory of anything, while your eyes are closed, no emotions, even the breathing is becoming very subtle and you stop noticing it.
Pure blackness.
Try to feel the spot a couple of inches above your crown, feel it like there is a physical connection to your head.
Move to that point and look down to the ultimate blackness beneath.
Just emptiness.
You look down on your own crown, but it's so dark, that you can't see it, but you know that it's there, but you are above now.
You are hidden, invisible and safe.
And from there, if you watch attentively, you might notice what is looking for you, what is trying to destabilize you, what is trying to steal energy from you, what is constantly ignites the same emotions.
What does it look like?
Does it have a name? Ask it! "What is your name?" "What are you doing to me?"
Thank it for all the lessons, and ask it to give your energy back, take its energy and leave you forever, because you do not need its service and it should proceed with its own progress.
Feel it leaves you, feel how it takes the swirl of words and emotions with it.
Look down.
See how the blackness below relaxes?
Feel the relief.
Feel how much more energy and clarity you have now!
Now go down to you body and open your eyes.
What do you feel?
Do you think there is something else?
Just repeat the procedure again, there might be, indeed, another entity willing to eat you. Who wouldn't?

(01 Dec 2020, 23:42 )Like Ra Wrote:

(01 Dec 2020, 06:42 )Hazel Wrote: And as someone who competes in high level swimming, you cannot even begin to understand how envious I was to watch female athletes from the sidelines while I was stuck with racing the guys.

You can't even imagine how I always envied male swimmers! How perfectly they look, how perfectly they can glide through the water, how sexy their cleanly shaved skin glistens, how tight their swimming attire is. ... I imagine how many girls envy such swimmers!

(01 Dec 2020, 23:49 )Like Ra Wrote:

(01 Dec 2020, 21:19 )Hazel Wrote: Ok, but 185 cm is not the same as being 194cm.

Ah guys, you've never been to Holland, have you? 😁 With my 175cm I feel like a 10yo kid among adults! Normal female foot size is around 40-41EU. But... they can't walk in heels 😁

(01 Dec 2020, 00:12 )Like Ra Wrote: Since I like women and do not like men

(01 Dec 2020, 06:28 )Hazel Wrote: For me its more complicated. Sissy hypnos opened me up to liking being with a man. Although in real life almost all men are a turn off. So I am basically exclusively attracted to women although that changes if I imagine myself in the female form (as I should be). Then it feels more natural to be with a guy because I wouldn't really want to be with a woman. Basically the reason I sometimes conflate my gender and sexuality is because I might be a lesbian in denial. I just cannot reconcile being a woman and being with a woman because my mind would just want to be friends with her or envy her beauty. There would just be no spark of attraction because she would be just like me. I've read somewhere that gay people and straight people always have the same orientation despite the gender they identify as. For example, I read that a formerly gay man transitioned to become female and then came out as a lesbian despite having no prior attraction to women. So I guess I will always be drawn to heterosexual attraction and relationships. But I think if I were to ever have the ability to transition in real life, things would get sorted out or I would be at peace with whoever I am attracted to then because I would no longer have conflicting gender identity feelings.