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RE: Kei's MindWarp - Hazel - 08 Nov 2020
(08 Nov 2020, 03:15 )LikeĀ Ra Wrote:(08 Nov 2020, 03:09 )MindsEye Wrote: Still waiting for someone to actually try her files for a few weeksThe files are HUGE, and it's a HUGE problem to listen longer, than 5-10 minutes š So, not sure about "few weeks" š
Well I have listened to them for months for an average of (2hrs nightly). This is because I usually listen to one shorter file then followed by one longer file. Personally I hate really short session (<30 mins) or longer than 2 hrs like B@mbi.
But that's just my preference again because I like to listen before bed; it helps me sleep!
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Hazel - 08 Nov 2020
(08 Nov 2020, 03:00 )LikeĀ Ra Wrote: There is another battle going on on 8kun about K: some people call the files dangerous
Quote:there are some nasty triggers in the file to keep it that way. You would have to go as deep as before, without being overcome by arousal and dissolve the whole thing. Good luck with thatā¦ You can be thankful that Kei didn't completely know what "she" was doing, back when that file was made. In my darker moments I wish the smartass from . . . would have enough success with these files to understand exactly what Rops' painting symbolizes.
. . .
MsJ is bad because these files are addictive, sadistic and will associate self-abasement with arousal.
Bambi is worse because of the same reasons and because her inductions are good and the files plant an ingenious self-reinforcing trigger network. Whoever made these knows some behavioural psychology.
Kei is fucking dangerous for the same reasons as Bambi (. And because "she" actually understands something about bio energetics. All that weird kundalini stuff. When the trance is successful, the files also guide the listener very well to "places" in his inner world/dream scape/deep mind,ā¦ Call it what you will. Where this stuff can be most effective. And believe me, there are some places inside your subconscious you want to keep clean from perversions. If you are really lucky, you get plain old schizophrenia as a bonus, from visiting places your mind cannot adapt to quickly enough. What saves 95% of people is that they think flashing sissy music videos are hypnosis and have lost the ability to focus long enough to go into trance.
>I don't believe someone would become schizophrenic from any of these files without doing something further (taking mind altering chemicals/drugs, etc).
I won't try to convince you. But please keep the thread updated, if against your expectations something bubbles up from the Spirit Girl Cocksucker Curse (SGCC) file, or if you decide to experiment with the other files.
but I still fully agree with this:
Quote:> your impression of her work is so different from mine that I almost think we listened to different files.
Can you name a couple of files you rate quite high in terms of sound/effect quality and pronounced post-effects? Preferably non-harmful, please? I'm really curious in what Kei can do, and I'd like to be proven wrong in my opinion.
My major complains are:
- weird distracting, disturbing and irritating sounds and sound effects, that are incompatible with "trance", "relaxation", etc.
- Even main tracks are sometimes incomprehensible because of those stupid sound effects
- unjustified speech slowdowns, that sounds like howling (is it what Kei thinks how daemons and spirits should sound? š)
- Distracting, boring, irritating "dramatic" "music" (which is apparently supposed to represent "spirit domain")
- WAAAAAAY TOOOOO LONG!
I can add that some files sound ridiculous and childish from all those sound effects.
IDK, like i said, everyone is different and I find Kei's files an artist masterpiece. I trance so easily to them that by the end I am in a state of feminine bliss. Other files like Msj or EMG are very jarring to listen to.Ā But I'm curious about which file you were referring to at the beginning of the post? Maybe I might have listened to it?
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Like Ra - 09 Nov 2020
(08 Nov 2020, 21:19 )female123 Wrote: But I'm curious about which file you were referring to at the beginning of the post?This one?
(08 Nov 2020, 03:00 )Like Ra Wrote: Spirit Girl Cocksucker Curse (SGCC) file
I agree with:
Quote:I tried it yesterday. Most of the text is incomprehensible. After listening to this file I read the description and it was like "Aha! This is what it was about!" š Way too much noiseā¦ The result was - headache!
(08 Nov 2020, 21:01 )female123 Wrote: most files are made for trans women and help one to become more confident in expressing their inner woman in the real world.Funny, that you mentioned this. I listened to "highly appraised" "Demon Girl: Anal Pleasure Slave", which is, as far as I understand, one of the latest files. At the beginning I even liked the script and how it was voiced (I still hated the sound effects), but then Kei could not refrain from falling back to the old crappy howling and stupid porn clichĆ©s: in the feminization/sissyfication hypno being a girl equals to wearing panties, bras, skirts, and makeup, sucking cocks, and obeying everybody. Oh yeah, f#$&*g real-world feminine... How the f$%*&% can it help "expressing their inner woman in the real world"? It can't be father from it. It's nothing about the real world, but a horny man's fantasy š
(08 Nov 2020, 21:01 )female123 Wrote: Other artists seem to used the standard robotic tts. . .
but the newer files with the human voice are very effective
(08 Nov 2020, 21:05 )female123 Wrote: Agree, but also disagree because most of them are really well done especially with the human female voice. Likewise I can't stand male voice hypnosPersonally. I don't care much if it's TTS (SB, MsJ, Gracie, Bambi use TTS, and it sounds excellent) or a male voice (EMG, Cardigan, Sarnoga, Vive).
(08 Nov 2020, 21:05 )female123 Wrote: most of them are really well done especially with the human female voice. I can't stand ... poor-quality files.
(08 Nov 2020, 21:01 )female123 Wrote: I loved her style and especially the amount of effort that goes into making each file
I can't call Kei's files "high-quality" because they are overly processed, overly saturated with unnecessary and purely annoying sounds. They resemble the first web-pages created by kids: red text on blue background, frills, blinking and moving text, animated gifs, autoplayed distorted teen-pop-music, etc. My impression of Kei's "daemon spirits" is like childish spooky stories and Halloween booth where kids in red paint stained clothes are doing their best to scare their parents and neighbours.
But yes, lots of efforts and time are waisted on these files. And absolutely unnecessary, as, sometimes, less is more. Kei does have a potential. But Kei must learn what minimalism is.
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Hazel - 09 Nov 2020
(09 Nov 2020, 00:41 )LikeĀ Ra Wrote:(08 Nov 2020, 21:19 )female123 Wrote: But I'm curious about which file you were referring to at the beginning of the post?This one?
(08 Nov 2020, 03:00 )LikeĀ Ra Wrote: Spirit Girl Cocksucker Curse (SGCC) file
I agree with:
Quote:I tried it yesterday. Most of the text is incomprehensible. After listening to this file I read the description and it was like "Aha! This is what it was about!" š Way too much noiseā¦ The result was - headache!
(08 Nov 2020, 21:01 )female123 Wrote: most files are made for trans women and help one to become more confident in expressing their inner woman in the real world.Funny, that you mentioned this. I listened to "highly appraised" "Demon Girl: Anal Pleasure Slave", which is, as far as I understand, one of the latest files. At the beginning I even liked the script and how it was voiced (I still hated the sound effects), but then Kei could not refrain from falling back to the old crappy howling and stupid porn clichĆ©s: in the feminization/sissyfication hypno being a girl equals to wearing panties, bras, skirts, and makeup, sucking cocks, and obeying everybody. Oh yeah, f#$&*g real-world feminine... How the f$%*&% can it help "expressing their inner woman in the real world"? It can't be father from it. It's nothing about the real world, but a horny man's fantasy š
(08 Nov 2020, 21:01 )female123 Wrote: Other artists seem to used the standard robotic tts. . .
but the newer files with the human voice are very effective(08 Nov 2020, 21:05 )female123 Wrote: Agree, but also disagree because most of them are really well done especially with the human female voice. Likewise I can't stand male voice hypnosPersonally. I don't care much if it's TTS (SB, MsJ, Gracie, Bambi use TTS, and it sounds excellent) or a male voice (EMG, Cardigan, Sarnoga, Vive).
(08 Nov 2020, 21:05 )female123 Wrote: most of them are really well done especially with the human female voice. I can't stand ... poor-quality files.(08 Nov 2020, 21:01 )female123 Wrote: I loved her style and especially the amount of effort that goes into making each file
I can't call Kei's files "high-quality" because they are overly processed, overly saturated with unnecessary and purely annoying sounds. They resemble the first web-pages created by kids: red text on blue background, frills, blinking and moving text, animated gifs, autoplayed distorted teen-pop-music, etc. My impression of Kei'sĀ "daemon spirits" is like childish spooky stories and Halloween booth where kids in red paint stained clothes are doing their best to scare their parents and neighbours.
But yes, lots of efforts and time are waisted on these files. And absolutely unnecessary, as, sometimes, less is more. Kei does have a potential. But Kei must learn what minimalism is.
Ok, like i said, it depends on which files you choose to listen to. Every artist has their flops. But kei is the only one that i like which has files similar toĀ their YouTube channel which are not derogatory or outright dangerous like the others you mentioned (including Bambi...which idk why you think is superior to kei because not only does it have all the same clichĆ© sounds, howling and worse misogynistic suggestions, but also is designed to permanently mess you up).Ā
AlsoĀ I have not listened to the files you mentioned nor the demon girl series. Instead I choose the "softcore" files thatĀ resemble the romantic fantasy experience of a heterosexual woman....such as getting ready for aĀ date and the details that follow. But from readingĀ several posts on this forum, I have noticed you have a personal grudge against the artist. Like I get if you don't like the style, but just know that it resonates with other people.Ā Remember sexuality and in particular fetishes are highly personal. Everything negative you mentioned about Kei can easily be found in other erotic hypnosis files or fetishes. I personally don'tĀ go around shaming other artists or fans of their work just because i don't like them. In terms of sexuality, you have to have an open mind, especially as an administrator of such a diverse forum. There are many files andĀ fetishes which people discuss here which are turnoffs or which i consider strange (to put it nicely), but i don't put down people nor their content creators for liking it. I just simply accept that that's what they're into and that everyone has unique preferences. So please be more kind and respectful in the futureĀ
Thank you š š
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Like Ra - 09 Nov 2020
(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: But kei is the only one that i likeWhat, in your opinion, are the best K's files?
(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: I personally don'tĀ go around shaming other artists or fans of their work just because i don't like them. In terms of sexuality, you have to have an open mind, especially as an administrator of such a diverse forum. There are many files andĀ fetishes which people discuss here which are turnoffs or which i consider strange (to put it nicely), but i don't put down people nor their content creators for liking it.OK, first of all, I never go personal, I never "shame anybody", and I never use "ad hominem" arguments. I address, critique, discuss only statements, products or claims. If I think that a particular claim is false or non-proven - I'm going over it with my arguments.
So, the following statements are simply not true (=false):
(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: I have noticed you have a personal grudge against the artist
(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: Everything negative you mentioned about Kei
If you think otherwise, please quote my corresponding words and I will deeply apologise.
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Hazel - 09 Nov 2020
(09 Nov 2020, 04:13 )LikeĀ Ra Wrote:The way you frame Kei's hypnosis is that it's the worst out there andĀ something to be avoided.. Most times this is implicit through your critiques, but just to mention your most recent comment in this thread:Ā You said that Kei's work is a waste of time and effort. How do you know that? I don't think Kei would think so, nor their fans? How can someone else's artistic expression be a waste of time just because it was to you?Ā So you see, your repetitiveĀ overly critical review of their hypnosis style and replies to people inquiring about Kei's work effectively doesn't give peopleĀ the chance to try it out. I think it would be best to offer a more neutral response sometimes and let people decide for themselves.(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: But kei is the only one that i likeWhat, in your opinion, are the best K's files?
(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: I personally don'tĀ go around shaming other artists or fans of their work just because i don't like them. In terms of sexuality, you have to have an open mind, especially as an administrator of such a diverse forum. There are many files andĀ fetishes which people discuss here which are turnoffs or which i consider strange (to put it nicely), but i don't put down people nor their content creators for liking it.OK, first of all, I never go personal, I never "shame anybody", and I never use "ad hominem" arguments.Ā I address, critique, discuss only statements, products or claims. If I think that a particular claim is false or non-proven - I'm going over it with my arguments.
So, the following statements are simply not true (=false):
(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: I have noticed you have a personal grudge against the artist(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: Everything negative you mentioned about Kei
If you think otherwise, please quote my corresponding words and I will deeply apologise.
Thx š
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Like Ra - 09 Nov 2020
(09 Nov 2020, 05:33 )female123 Wrote: The way you frame Kei's hypnosis is that it's the worst out there andĀ something to be avoided..You definitely have to avoid Bambi (and I said it explicitly), Female Takeover by EMG (and I said it explicitly), Kasha Shakti (and as far as I remember I said it explicitly), but I do not remember, that I said explicitly to avoid Kei's files š
(09 Nov 2020, 05:33 )female123 Wrote: Most times this is implicit through your critiquesThat's "assuming", or what they call it in NLP "telepathy".
(09 Nov 2020, 05:33 )female123 Wrote: your most recent comment in this thread:Ā You said that Kei's work is a waste of time and effort.That was in response to your statement, that you "especially love the amount of effort that goes into making each file". And yes, I believe, that the amount of efforts and time could have been invested smarter by not adding what's not needed, and gave an example with an overloaded website.
(09 Nov 2020, 05:33 )female123 Wrote: How do you know that?I see the result and express my frustrations.
(09 Nov 2020, 05:33 )female123 Wrote: your repetitiveĀ overly critical review of their hypnosis style and replies to people inquiring about Kei's work effectively doesn't give peopleĀ the chance to try it out.Sorry, the logic is totally wrong here š I do not block Kei's site, I do not block RetroShare, I do not block sharing sites, so everybody has a chance to try the files out š
(09 Nov 2020, 05:33 )female123 Wrote: I think it would be best to offer a more neutral response sometimes and let people decide for themselves.Again, broken logic here - I do not decide for people, I express my opinion. If you check the thread from the beginning, you will see that I paste various opinions. And you are encouraged to publish yours.
What is "more neutral"? I write exactly what I see&hear and explain it with argumentation. If you do not agree with my argumentation, please dispute it and provide yours, you are more, than welcome!
BTW, this thread became a free ad campaign for Kei š
So, back to my question:
(09 Nov 2020, 04:13 )Like Ra Wrote: What, in your opinion, are the best K's files?
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Hazel - 09 Nov 2020
(09 Nov 2020, 15:09 )Like Ra Wrote: If you do not agree with my argumentation, please dispute it and provide yours, you are more, than welcome!
I a
eady have but it seems you are stuck with your opinion and as the administrator, your opinion has much more influence on others users. In other words you will always have the final say in each thread as this is your forum and we are just guests.But all i want to point out and i will even quote MindsEye yesterday is that not everyone holds your opinion in regards to Kei and once someone states that preference, its really not for debate. Just like you can't argue someone to logically evaluate their choice of music, fetish or sexual expression. It's just what comes naturally to each individual and that is why there is such a huge diversity of files and fetishes out there. So by a more neutral response, I meant to accept what others choose and leave it at that.
(08 Nov 2020, 03:34 )Like Ra Wrote:Quote:You mean it can damage someone to listen that long?No, they sound terrible. Ridiculous voices, abominable sound effects. Absolutely unlistenable.
(08 Nov 2020, 03:45 )MindsEye Wrote: I understand your perspective, but some people don't find the files annoying and that is why kei had so many listeners on youtube and why kei is still sought out for online.
And as far as my opinion on Kei's best files, well I won't bother because I know they are good and that they work for me. All that will provide you with is the chance for more (negative) critique which is not what I signed up on this forum for. I just want a fun and positive experience without having to defend my preference for erotic hypnosis, which is what this thread has become.
RE: Kei's MindWarp - Like Ra - 09 Nov 2020
(09 Nov 2020, 15:49 )female123 Wrote: I aApparently you spent too much time on other forums/platforms, and do not have much experience here:
Joined: 09-25-2019
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(09 Nov 2020, 15:49 )female123 Wrote: that not everyone holds your opinionIf everybody fully agrees with everybody, no progress would be possible.
(09 Nov 2020, 15:49 )female123 Wrote: once someone states that preference, its really not for debate. Just like you can't argue someone to logically evaluate their choice of music, fetish or sexual expression. It's just what comes naturally to each individual and that is why there is such a huge diversity of files and fetishes out there.Absolutely. Hence we do not "evaluate", dispute or shame tastes. So, I repeat myself here:
(09 Nov 2020, 04:13 )Like Ra Wrote: I address, critique, discuss only statements, products or claims. If I think that a particular claim is false or non-proven - I'm going over it with my arguments.
(09 Nov 2020, 15:49 )female123 Wrote: And as far as my opinion on Kei's best files, well I won't bother because I know they are good and that they work for me.Basically, it's you who does not give me a chance to change my opinion š
RE: Kei's MindWarp - JessicaSissy - 10 Nov 2020
(09 Nov 2020, 03:19 )female123 Wrote: ...
Ok, like i said, it depends on which files you choose to listen to.
...
can you recommend me some good softcore files from Kei?
I've tried some but they all give me dark, horror or negative feelings and I just couldnt finish any of his files.