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RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Maximiliaan_75 - 30 Dec 2021
(20 Dec 2020, 23:39 )Like Ra Wrote: Indeed. How can you prove (beginning with yourself), that the hypnosis (whether is an audio/video file, live hypnosis, subliminals, brainwashing/conditioning, guided meditation, NLP technique, etc) is working and it's not your imagination or role playing?
The short answer: by having vivid dreams, the content of which is related to the hypno you're listening to. For the long answer, read on:
I am an occasional crossdresser. Often, life stuff gets in the way and I don't feel like dressing up. Earlier this year I commisioned a custom file from a hypnotist, which encouraged me to dress up more. The focus was on wearing high heels and to progressively add more items: hose, panties, collars, nailpolish, shave my body, etc.
After listening about 7 times or so I started to have very vivid dreams about dressing up--I have trained myself to remember my dreams. Also, when falling asleep and waking up I would see elaborate images of beautiful feet with painted toenails, toerings, and ankle bracelets or feet in heels. Later, I found suggestions saying that I would dream about heels and that they would be on my mind right before I went to sleep and when still slumbering
The dreams themselves are mostly fun and positive, but sometimes not. A recent positive one is where I was dressing up in femme in a hotelroom and I was caught by a maid. First I was panicking. But then I thought "ah well, what does it matter anyway", after which I took a walk out on the busy streets fully dressed up and feeling amazing! Another recent one is where I was actually was a 'real' woman in a hot outfit being gangbanged by a couple of guys in a back alley----basically the plot of a 1970s porn flick. 😊
A negative dream was where I was chased by some psychopath. I was trying to run away from him in towering 6 inch stiletto heels and a tight dress, lol!
To be clear, I never had dreams about dressing up before I started listening to the file, not that I can remember at least.
The file is loaded with suggestions. The hypnotist warned me that the more suggestions the file contains, the longer it takes to take hold, but that it would definately would take hold. She said I would see small changes first and then things would speed up. That definately ended up happening as I'm dressed most of the time now. Not doing so gives me a somewhat empty, anxious feeling (also suggested in the file). Sometimes I'm freightened of the changes but overal it's been very positive for me. I was just looking for a kinky experience but the file actually helped me to lose the shame and come to terms with my female side.
Btw, I also remember reading about some Bambi Sleep users having creepy dreams about seeing a faceless woman in the mirror. Yikes!
Anyway, concludingly, I would say that having dreams that relate to the content of the files you're listening to definately is an indication something has taken hold in your subconscious mind. Would you agree?
I would love to hear about other people's experiences with dreams related to hypno but perhaps that's for another thread? I'll let Like Ra decide.
Then finally, some other non-dream related observations:
- Often, when I see a YT vid featuring stiletto heels or even just feet in the high heel position, I feel tingles in my body and sometimes even a physical rush; and
- One day I was shaving in the morning. I suddenly went blank and felt an enormous urge to shave my entire body, which I did. At that point I had listened to the file about 10 times or so.
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - krinlyc - 31 Dec 2021
Well,
I think it's pretty easy to answer. I do hypnotize other. I set post hypnotic trigger.
If these work afterwards. Hypnosis does work.
And yes.
It does. Believe me. On most people good. On some bad and on some verrrry good.
In my experience people which call themself "sub" get better into hypnosis than "Dom" .
krin
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Like Ra - 31 Dec 2021
(31 Dec 2021, 10:20 )krinlyc Wrote: I set post hypnotic trigger.Unless the "subject" roleplays along.
If these work afterwards. Hypnosis does work.
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - krinlyc - 31 Dec 2021
(31 Dec 2021, 15:44 )Like Ra Wrote:(31 Dec 2021, 10:20 )krinlyc Wrote: I set post hypnotic trigger.Unless the "subject" roleplays along.
If these work afterwards. Hypnosis does work.
Hmmm. That may work in some cases.
Believe me - I have done some pht.
I would have noticed if it had been played.
krin
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Zooy - 04 Jan 2022
When I read the threads here, I often get the feeling that the hypnosis here consists mostly of self confirmation: People are a
eady looking for a result and then enter a form of 'echo chamber' to reinforce those desires.I wonder what would happen if we take somebody who would never wear heels, a skirt, pantyhose etc, and outside his knowledge somebody would play each night, during his sleep, feminisation hypnosis files. Would that work?
I do know that some psychotherapists use hypnosis to install triggers to calm people down, but I have no idea whether they can get people to really change their personality. And the claims with many WMM files to start growing breasts spontaneously, seem to me more than far fetched.
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Like Ra - 04 Jan 2022
(04 Jan 2022, 22:04 )Zooy Wrote: People are aOn one hand, it's very true. On the other... this is what I wrote in another thread:
(02 Jan 2022, 18:28 )Like Ra Wrote: And to add to that, it would be interesting to "tweak the reality" in such a way, that the circumstances, people, life, work, surroundings feminize you, force you to crossdress, make you look pretty, and the outcome is very positive, aesthetic, pleasant and profitable. Kinda, win-win-win-win situation 😉
Again, to some extent, it should be possible, and hypno-stuff is a powerful "lever" to shift it to the "right direction".
See what I mean?
(04 Jan 2022, 22:04 )Zooy Wrote: And the claims with many WMM files to start growing breasts spontaneously, seem to me more than far fetched.Not sure about WMM, but growing breasts is confirmed, see https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2902
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Zooy - 04 Jan 2022
(04 Jan 2022, 22:14 )Like Ra Wrote:(04 Jan 2022, 22:04 )Zooy Wrote: People are aOn one hand, it's very true. On the other... this is what I wrote in another thread:
(02 Jan 2022, 18:28 )Like Ra Wrote: And to add to that, it would be interesting to "tweak the reality" in such a way, that the circumstances, people, life, work, surroundings feminize you, force you to crossdress, make you look pretty, and the outcome is very positive, aesthetic, pleasant and profitable. Kinda, win-win-win-win situation 😉
Again, to some extent, it should be possible, and hypno-stuff is a powerful "lever" to shift it to the "right direction".
See what I mean?
Still more like an echo chamber. Look at how internet groups can make people far more violent than they would have been otherwise. These groups tweak reality in my eyes. They really believe what they are telling each other. And many of them are 100% convinced they are doing the right thing.
(04 Jan 2022, 22:14 )Like Ra Wrote:(04 Jan 2022, 22:04 )Zooy Wrote: And the claims with many WMM files to start growing breasts spontaneously, seem to me more than far fetched.Not sure about WMM, but growing breasts is confirmed, see https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2902
I have some misgivings when I think back about that one. In addition, it refers to growing more breast on women, which is a more natural phenomenon with potentially other causes. And in all those tests the number of participants is so small that one will always obtain 'positive' results on a number of such investigations.
Statistics of small numbers is a dangerous game. And even with bigger numbers:
I remember an experimental physicist once telling me that they had a beautiful 5 sigma result looking like they found a new particle, but that the number of bins they had was so large that it turned out to be a statistical fluctuation.
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Like Ra - 04 Jan 2022
(04 Jan 2022, 22:57 )Zooy Wrote: Still more like an echo chamber. Look at how internet groups can make people far more violent than they would have been otherwise. These groups tweak reality in my eyes. They really believe what they are telling each other. And many of them are 100% convinced they are doing the right thing.Also true. Resonances, "positive feedback loops" (in this sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_feedback), egregors, entrainment. Sure, what means, it's kinda proved:
(04 Jan 2022, 22:04 )Zooy Wrote: I wonder what would happen if we take somebody who would never wear heels, a skirt, pantyhose etc, and outside his knowledge somebody would play each night, during his sleep, feminisation hypnosis files. Would that work?This is exactly what "might" happen in such radical groups you mentioned above.
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Andy - 23 Jan 2022
Whether hypnosis works is an interesting discussion. A lot depends on what you want to achieve from it, where you are in your journey, how suggestible you are to the narrative and the skill of the person delivering the hypnosis.
I've listened to a few of the files here, including a couple of the curses. I enjoyed them, and felt really relaxed but never felt really anything different. They seem no more than basic progressive relaxation with some suggestibility. One of them I gave up on as I was getting so fed up of the voice telling me I was "deeply hypnotised" when in fact I was bored and just wanted them to cut to the chase!!!
I was taught progressive relaxation and visualisation as part of an elite sports camp in the '90's. It was powerful and can still remember the things we are asked to visualise. Also can remember the triggers so I can do it today. Done well, it helps achieve something you are a
eady capable of but requires the utmost focus. Is the same true of some of these files? Those listener has maybe aeady decided that they was to go out in public fully crossdressed, but the file under relaxation manages to reduce the anxiety to a level that they can manage?I'm going to listen again tonight as I fall asleep, and hope I have a night of blissful dreams😊
RE: How do you know if hypnosis works? - Munkiman - 09 Feb 2022
Honestly since all of it is taking place in your mind, there's no real difference between a real effect and a placebo effect. If you have the correct sensations, it's working.
But I've had a number of experiences that have proven to me that there's more going on than me just playing along. The first and most obvious is HFOs. I can't do that on my own. And some files have had it happen without me even expecting it.
Secondly, when I get really deep, I sometimes get a very strong sensation that my body is spinning and I'm not totally sure which way is up. It's not a feeling I could recreate by pretending.
I've also done a number of experiments to see if I can keep my eyes open when I'm commanded to close them during a few files that have been very effective on me. To date, I haven't been able to keep my eyes open even one time if it's a file that's worked on me before. I'm sure if the house was on fire or something, things would be different, but without a reason to resist I've been totally helpless against these commands. I've made bets with myself and donated money when I lost, even. I want to try and make a bet with someone else about it at some point, but for obvious reasons I'm not going to ask any of my friends to observe so I'm not sure how I'm going to do it