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RE: Tulpas, Alternative Personalties, Alter Egos, DID alters, Imaginary Friends - HypnoMix - 21 Feb 2023
(17 Feb 2023, 02:58 )pixie Wrote:(17 Feb 2023, 02:39 )HypnoMix Wrote: They are against tulpa in hypnosis on YouTube and in the fetish sceneSome have also developed this opinion because of situations where, once the tulpa is established, the person/people who have assisted in the creation/development disconnect (ghost/ignore). Maybe because they were only ever interested in seeing if they could create one, or perhaps the outcome was not what they wanted. This can leave others distressed/vulnerable and then needing to seek additional support.
Long-term outcomes/commitments are sometimes not discussed/explored in 'the heat of the moment'.
Some people could also be against using a tupla in forced feminization cause they view that as evil. Im not sure if thats anyone ones view but thats usually what I assume.
Where using a tupla that works with you to think thru situations or decisions that would help you thru life choices with a positive outcome would be more appropriate.
Yeah if the hypnosis from random people on the internet dosnt have much experience creating such a thing regardless of content then I could see how mistakes could be made. This type of thing really should be from a trusted source.
I think it would be helpful too that who makes hypnosis files lets the listener understands what there getting into. Tuplas can cause voices in your head. Its like a mind inside your mind.
Ever since I found fetish hypnosis in 2016 I started hearing voices in 2019. Nothing serious. Nothing I feel as dangerous but im pretty sure its from all the files I listened too. Cant figure out why else it would have started. Not to mention attraction to the ladies department when I goto the store. Im aware of it but some people dont understand your thoughts arent always your own.
RE: Tulpas, Alternative Personalties, Alter Egos, DID alters, Imaginary Friends - MasterDQ - 27 Apr 2023
Saw this thread linked from the Bambi Sleep one, and had a couple of thoughts:
(21 Mar 2021, 23:59 )princesitanatty Wrote: I didn't know the concept of tulpa. It seems it's a separate self. I was thinking more about "modes" of a single self, e.g. "shy submissive Natty" and "self-confident Natty", linked to different trigger words. Is there a name for what I'm saying here?Look up "parts therapy", and maybe also the "Global Suggestion" group on FetLife (it's inactive but every can still be read; see also: https://bdsmhypnosis.blogspot.com/). Something like that may be closer to what you're after.
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The other thing I will say in general about tulpas & the like is to be careful. It's one thing for a hypnotist to tell your conscious mind to go snooze whilst he talks to the subconscious; it's another thing to try and make a tulpa, personality, or what-have-you. In particular, if you pay attention to people who claim to be able to do astral projecting, or who are more serious about their religion, then you have to consider the very real possibility that you might be inviting something in instead. Richard Gallagher & a few other professional psychiatrists are genuine believers in demonic possession (indeed, they believe they've literally encountered such things), so careful how you go. This stuff is very poorly understood & if nothing else I'd look at it from the P.O.V. of hypnotism. If you wouldn't just listen & accept any old hypnosis track you find online, you should be even more careful with something like this.
Final thought: I mentioned above the Global Suggestion group on FL - that hypnosis technique has reportedly been used to induce some very impressive hallucinations and other effects. If you want someone else in your life, get a partner. If you want the hallucinatory stuff, try that instead 😋 .
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - CollectiveThought - 02 Aug 2023
(02 Aug 2023, 22:28 )Like Ra Wrote:(02 Aug 2023, 21:35 )CollectiveThought Wrote: I've met almost 20 so far.... whoa ...
Whoa as in "that's a lot". Or as in "that must be an unusual experience?" It's definitely weird in my head. English is not really built for the description of these sorts of experiences. One side effect of being polyfragmented is that it seems we can create new members seemingly at the drop of a hat (or a pin) when pushed beyond our comfort limits. It seems our brain just grabs random fragments, glues them together, and shoves them in front when the rest of us can't handle something, then the rest of us have to deal with whatever results.
(02 Aug 2023, 22:28 )Like Ra Wrote:(02 Aug 2023, 21:35 )CollectiveThought Wrote: there's apparently an entire group of alters whose job it is to study, categorize, and label the various classes of consciousness in our system.Can't they be servitors, rather than alters?
I wasn't familiar with this term or other terminology until I started browsing the thread you linked, thanks. In this case, this group is comprised of fully sentient/sapient and self-aware individuals with their own identities, so I don't think they count as servitors.
I do have a large number of servitors, however. One example is that a lot of us (including myself) don't think in words natively. We think in something I call "thought graphs." There are two servitors (who call themselves "translators") whose job it is to take a thought graph and turn it into words when dealing with the outside world, or to take words from the outside world and turn them into thought graphs. They are aware, but not fully self-aware, and they act almost like a daemon in a *nix system. They seemed quite taken aback a few months ago when I randomly thanked them for translating for me. It seems nobody had ever thought to thank them before and it made them feel uncomfortable to be thanked for just doing their job.
(02 Aug 2023, 22:28 )Like Ra Wrote:(02 Aug 2023, 21:35 )CollectiveThought Wrote: Last time I asked, I was told thatThe biggest questions are:
- Who's answering?
- Can they be trusted?
So, the group who keeps track of all this stuff calls themselves the Keepers (short for Keepers of Memory). They seem to be almost like a weird hybrid of a monastic order and wizards/witches (they are trying to emulate the one who figured out a lot of this stuff, who flippantly called herself Merlin when demonstrating her skills and now regrets it because everyone calls her Merlin... yes I have a weird sort of cult in my head, lol) and it's their job to manage access to memories, to reconstruct those of us who fragment, and so forth. Depending on how you look at it, this is my third time as host.
After my previous hosting stint, I fragmented myself in an attempt to mentally suicide because I couldn't deal with the real world anymore. Our hosts tended to last a year or even less before burning out, so there's been a long succession of us. It's sort of a long story, but there was a lot of hatred toward me after my second stint, and most everyone wanted me to stay dead, but there was nobody else willing to take on the role of host (apparently they tried running the body by committee for a while, but it didn't work too well), so the Keepers gathered my fragments, added new ones they hypothesized might make me more resistant to burning out, then wiped almost all of my memory before shoving me in front. It's a sort of Ship of Theseus situation for all of us in here. How many fragments of us need to be replaced before we're no longer us?
It turned out they built me too well and I've become sort of a nuisance to them. I am the strongest willed of all of those I've met so far, which is why I've been able to willpower myself through a lot of crap in life, but it also means that unless they ganged up on me en masse, they can't push me around and have to resort to actually talking to me rationally and giving me good reasons not to do what I want to do. To quote André Roussimoff as Fezzik, "It's not my fault being the biggest and strongest. I don't even exercise." If I'm not taken unaware, I can dig my claws in and even ganging up on me, they can't push me out of the front.
I have yet to catch them in a lie (except by omission), so I'm trusting them for now...with reservations. I'm tired of being treated like a child who can't handle the truth. I've a
eady been forced to accept I'm basically a Frankenstein's monster of available parts and not really special in any way other than being built like a T-1000 from Terminator 2. The way I deal with bad stuff on a day-to-day basis is by fragmenting off bits of my consciousness, basically isolating them, then later, when things calm down, reabsorb those fragments back into myself when I have the emotional bandwidth to deal with them. I was apparently built really well for the purpose, but it seems they kind of regret their inventiveness now, because I wasn't supposed to be so self-aware and so strong. lol Anyway, I don't mind being the ablative armor for the rest of them now that I know they are suffering from a lot of unresolved trauma, too. The last thing I want is for any of them to be hurt even more.Most everyone I've met so far seem kind and want to do what's best. It's just that we all seem to have a different idea about what's best for us. We're all like a rather large, quite peculiar family who, though we love each other, still get into arguments over minor, even petty, points.
I wonder... Should we move this to the DID thread?
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - Like Ra - 02 Aug 2023
(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: Whoa as in "that's a lot".Yeah, this one...
(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: One side effect of being polyfragmented is that it seems we can create new members seemingly at the drop of a hat (or a pin) when pushed beyond our comfort limits.This is what I've read as well. "Alters" can create new alters. The more alters, the more alters.
(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: fully sentient/sapient and self-aware individuals with their own identities, so I don't think they count as servitors.In this case, yes, absolutely, as servitors are not quite self-conscious.
(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: We think in something I call "thought graphs."Even more interesting! I wonder if it can be "translated" into "plain English".
(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: Our hosts tended to last a year or even less before burning outNo wonder, taking into account such a complex system! I always thought, that "virtuality" should "eat" much more energy.
(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: Most everyone I've met so far seem kind and want to do what's best.- Can they quickly give you an advice, should you urgently need one?
- To how many of "them" can you "talk" simultaneously?
- Do they have different abilities, specializations, skills?
- Can they transfer those skills to you, while you are fronting?
(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: Should we move this to the DID thread?Absolutely!
The original post: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread-Bambi-Sleep-stuff?pid=68460#pid68460
RE: Bambi Sleep stuff - CollectiveThought - 03 Aug 2023
(02 Aug 2023, 23:34 )Like Ra Wrote:(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: One side effect of being polyfragmented is that it seems we can create new members seemingly at the drop of a hat (or a pin) when pushed beyond our comfort limits.This is what I've read as well. "Alters" can create new alters. The more alters, the more alters.
A lot of our alters are splits of other alters. Some of these were intentional splits, many were not. It gets confusing sometimes when they keep the same name. Even more so when all of them think they are the original. For instance, I've been told there are five who share the same name and all think they are the original, but I haven't met them yet. It seems once our brain got comfortable with the idea of making new members to deal with whatever bad stuff was going on, it decided splitting off new members was a hammer and every situation was a nail.
(02 Aug 2023, 23:34 )Like Ra Wrote:(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: We think in something I call "thought graphs."Even more interesting! I wonder if it can be "translated" into "plain English".
I'll do my best.
At an abstract level: The term comes from the graphs in Computer Science (I'm a software developer). Think of it sort of like a molecule, just with every single atom connected to each other in a web instead of in a chain. The atoms of the molecule are the concepts, memories, emotions, experiences. The bonds/links between them are the weights and importance of those particular thought atoms in relation to each other with possibly different weights in each direction. So I formulate an entire web of atoms and their connections all in one chunk and the translators do their best to put it into English.
At a more direct level: Let's say I'm thinking the equivalent of "I like dark chocolate." This thought in my head is the combination of a large number of atoms: appearance of dark chocolate, its smell, its flavor, the feel of how it melts on the tongue, the sound it makes when you bite into it and the feeling on my teeth, the times I've had it with my husband, a feeling of happiness and reward, the entire process of making chocolate starting with cocoa pods through to finalized chocolate, etc., etc. Probably hundreds of atoms in a single thought graph, all of them linked together in a web that means "I love dark chocolate". It actually means far, far more than those simple words, but the translators try really hard to simplify it down to something that wouldn't make a normal human think we're weird or deranged when talking to them.
I know that sounds ridiculously complex, but it's far faster for me to assemble that entire thought graph than it is for the servitor who takes words from the translators and speaks them aloud can say them.
(02 Aug 2023, 23:34 )Like Ra Wrote:(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: Our hosts tended to last a year or even less before burning outNo wonder, taking into account such a complex system! I always thought, that "virtuality" should "eat" much more energy.
It seems our brain is only typically capable of running two of us at full power at a time (though we did 3 at once one time, all in front, all taking in and responding to the real world simultaneously because somehow we're all compatible with each other while fronting), with the remainder of us getting time-sliced. I used to have a co-host around all the time until about two months ago, so we were running two consciousnesses at the same time 24/7/365. She decided she wasn't needed as much anymore once we discovered so many other members, and has mostly just been sleeping since. It feels lonely after so many years of having her around. And yes, it should have been obvious I had DID with two consciousnesses present at all times, but I can be a little dense sometimes.
Trying to run more than two at full power just redlines our brain and is quite uncomfortable and will result in a massive migraine if we try to continue it.
(02 Aug 2023, 23:34 )Like Ra Wrote:(02 Aug 2023, 23:19 )CollectiveThought Wrote: Most everyone I've met so far seem kind and want to do what's best.- Can they quickly give you an advice, should you urgently need one?
- To how many of "them" can you "talk" simultaneously?
- Do they have different abilities, specializations, skills?
- Can they transfer those skills to you, while you are fronting?
Yes. As I mentioned, I had a co-host (I'll call her H) for the entirety of my third stint at hosting, and she always had ideas and suggestions. She's way better at dealing with people than I am, so she'd take control of the body to deal with social situations.
H also has an at times very inappropriate humor. Sometimes I think she'd die happy if she managed to get me to laugh out loud at a funeral or something. She loves making me laugh because she says I'm far too serious all the time. We all have our own personalities, even H, though she was originally an intentional split of myself whom I intended to take over as host after I fragmented myself. She's the one who has given me by far the most advice since she was always around, but these days I've been getting advice from other sources, including M, who can be surprisingly perceptive, seeing things neither I nor my co-host noticed. M hangs around near the front a lot lately. Close enough she can kind of experience the real world, but not so close we start getting blurry because of our fronting incompatibility.
On a side note, my personal theory about the blurring is that each of us utilizes different parts of our brain at different levels. And M and I share some of those parts and with two of us running at full power, we are redlining those parts of our brain and that causes our consciousness to blur and become unstable. On the other hand, H and I are completely compatible, so I think we must never add up to redlining any part of our brain.
I'd say I can talk to perhaps 9 or 10 simultaneously on a conversational level where they respond as a real person would, though sometimes it sounds like I have a hundred plus yelling all at once when I've done something especially stupid and everyone's in an uproar.
All of us have different abilities and skills. I seem to be really good at computers unlike most of the others, and since I have chronic health conditions (an unfortunately common thing for people with DID), and need to work from home, means I'd probably be in front a lot each day to do our job even if I wasn't here by default anyway. We have different interests, too. Like I wasn't really allowed to listen to music or watch TV the times I was host (I grew up in a cult), so I don't really have any desire for or interest in either. M on the other hand, loves both. We have hyperphantasia, so I often hear her in the background these days replaying songs she likes.
As for skills transfer, no. I've heard other systems can do that, but we can't. They can walk me through doing something I'm not good at and vice versa, but unless they take active control of the body, that's all they can do. Like M was only around for brief periods for a particular purpose until recently when we've started learning to cooperatively switch, so she didn't even know how to use the toaster oven we've had for a year now. She woke me up and had me walk her through it, then let me go back to sleep. She can also draw fairly well, when I on the other hand would be lucky to draw a recognizable stick figure.
RE: Tulpas, Alternative Personalties, Alter Egos, DID alters, Imaginary Friends - Like Ra - 03 Aug 2023
That's ... amazing ... Yet another proof, that we are biorobots with the, so called, "consciousness", definitely located outside of our physical bodies. And the brain acts like a TV-tuner or Internet modem for those "consciousnesses".
RE: Tulpas, Alternative Personalties, Alter Egos, DID alters, Imaginary Friends - CollectiveThought - 03 Aug 2023
(03 Aug 2023, 01:10 )Like Ra Wrote: That's ... amazing ... Yet another proof, that we are biorobots with the, so called, "consciousness", definitely located outside of our physical bodies. And the brain acts like a TV-tuner or Internet modem for those "consciousnesses".
You could very well be right. The Keepers spend a lot of time thinking about consciousness—for obvious reasons—and they've come up with their own spiritual beliefs that involve consciousness being part here in this universe and part being elsewhere, all interconnected, because they claim to have tried to follow connections that just vanish elsewhere and can't be traced.
It took me a long time even to understand their concept of identity. For them, your identity is not just who you identify as, but it's all the connections you have to everything else. So, according to their beliefs, my love for my husband is part of my identity. The stuffed animal I keep on my office desk is part of my identity. My friendships are part of my identity. They seemed equally perplexed by my initial insistence that my identity was completely separate from theirs. They are big believers in the connection between all things and have their own terms for a lot of it that I barely understand as yet.
We certainly seem like distinct people and distinct consciousnesses. I mentioned being hated before. I noticed @MasterDQ above said something about possibly letting in demons if you tried to create a tulpa... Well, apparently the host before me (the one now known as Merlin) had been confronted by one of our religious leaders at the time because some members had apparently been switching in front, and it had become obvious. She was told that the "voices" were demons and that we should drive them out or kill them. So she did. She even tried to kill me, but even then I was too strong, and she couldn't suppress me, so she decided that she'd share all of her memories with me and make me the next host when she was burning out. So, I was charged with trying to kill all the other voices, and I did my best to do so. I thought I was doing the right thing.
The funny part, and indirectly bringing this back to your point about consciousnesses being from elsewhere, is that now Merlin is revered as this great master of mental magic while half of the other members seem to hate my guts, even though Merlin and I did the exact same thing, and she was only around for a year only partially shielding them from trauma, while I've been dealing with 100% of the trauma for many years since, so they didn't have to. It's the sort of double standard humans always have toward celebrities. I know I would never hold that sort of double standard toward our other members, yet they do, so we definitely have different views on things. I've just had to accept them as real people, even if we share a brain and body. It makes them a lot more understandable to me and a lot easier for me to forgive as fallible individuals.
RE: Tulpas, Alternative Personalties, Alter Egos, DID alters, Imaginary Friends - Like Ra - 03 Aug 2023
I like the explanation Sadhguru gives. Imagine consciousness as air. "We" are the soap bubbles in the air. We contain a portion of that global consciousness.
My explanation is: everything is a combination of energy, structure, and information. And everything resonates. Whether it "us", or "egregors", or "energo-parasites", or whatever. Everything can communicate with each other, just like full-duplex radio receivers and transmitters. We have frequencies and bandwidths. If two structures can resonate on the same frequency, they can communicate with each other.
Our bodies are like TV-sets or remotely controlled computers with sensors, CPU, some memory, power connections, etc. "Us" can communicate with the bodies, control them or get sensoric information from them. If more entities resonate on the body frequencies, they can communicate with it and with each other.
Something simple like that. I'm a radio-engineer, so radio is a natural analogy for me 😊
RE: Tulpas, Alternative Personalties, Alter Egos, DID alters, Imaginary Friends - CollectiveThought - 03 Aug 2023
(03 Aug 2023, 03:31 )Like Ra Wrote: My explanation is: everything is a combination of energy, structure, and information. And everything resonates. Whether it "us", or "egregors", or "energo-parasites", or whatever. Everything can communicate with each other, just like full-duplex radio receivers and transmitters. We have frequencies and bandwidths. If two structures can resonate on the same frequency, they can communicate with each other.
Our bodies are like TV-sets or remotely controlled computers with sensors, CPU, some memory, power connections, etc. "Us" can communicate with the bodies, control them or get sensoric information from them. If more entities resonate on the body frequencies, they can communicate with it and with each other.
Something simple like that. I'm a radio-engineer, so radio is a natural analogy for me 😊
Radio isn't my field, so I have barely beyond an average person's understanding of it, but what you say is quite literally true even on a classical level. Human bodies are dielectrics that also have individual polarized molecules and ions which have their own electric and magnetic dipole moments and will respond to incoming electromagnetic energy, including radio. Even individual electrons have their own dipole moments. That's where the Drude-Lorentz law was formulated, treating electrons as individual damped harmonic oscillators. And even further, we have these wonderful nervous systems that produce a constant stream of electric discharges. And flowing current produces a magnetic field and can directly couple to other EM fields. So even classically speaking, we are unavoidably affected by radio.
Once you add quantum mechanics in, it becomes even harder to believe we are isolated beings even if it feels that way sometimes. There's a non-zero (but infinitesimal for practical purposes) probability that one of my electrons will suddenly find itself on the far side of the universe and even more unlikely that it would pop right back into place, but it's possible. And the shorter the range, the more everything is blurred together ever so slightly. The effect is still pretty small for most purposes, but it does mean we can never think of ourselves as completely isolated individuals because we are inextricably linked with everything around us. Unless we're all Boltzmann Brains in closed space-time vacua, I suppose. 🤔
I—well, a former host whose memories I've inherited down our long chain of hosts—had an interesting experience as a child. I think I was around 4 or 5.
Side Note: when you have a dissociative disorder, memories are isolated, with each member having memories that none of the rest of us have. This can make it extremely difficult to figure out sometimes how old our body was at the time of a memory. We usually end up having to do a lot of deduction and induction to try to place a set of disconnected memories into a reasonable approximation of a timeline. It's made worse by the fact that none of us have access to everything. For example, when our body was in its mid-teens, one of our members staged a hostile takeover and acted as host for nearly a year, but did not share their memories with the host chain I'm part of, so I have literally zero memory of most of that year. Our dissociative barriers were made worse during the timeframe that I tried to mentally suicide myself (which came about a year after the hostile takeover). There was a literal war in our head between two groups during that timeframe and quite a few members were killed*, so everyone disconnected themselves from each other and strengthened their barriers as much as possible to try to keep anyone from killing them. That's what I'm working hard on with my therapist to undo so we can all at least talk with each other again.
Anyway, I'll use the word "I" even though it wasn't me me... We (my family) were on our way somewhere and stopped at a wayside somewhere in the Rocky Mountains and there was a small stream off to one side. What fascinated me was there was a stable whirlpool in the stream and I deduced it was formed by the rocks upstream disturbing the water flow in just the right way.
So I started experimenting with moving the rocks upstream, managed to "kill" the whirlpool and bring it back to life several times and then suddenly magic happened. The whirlpool dissipated, but immediately three new, smaller whirlpools formed. I decided that the big one was the mommy whirlpool and the little ones were her babies. Then I got upset that I'd killed mommy and spent the next half hour to find an arrangement of rocks that let mommy and her three babies exist at the same time. I was unsuccessful. Whirlpools are a system living on the border between order and chaos and their behavior can be utterly unpredictable.
I then had a sort of moral crisis (yes, over whirlpools), and tried to decide who deserved to exist more, the mommy who was there first, or her babies? I eventually decided to put things back the way they were, and the babies vanished and mommy reappeared. Even in recounting this story, I feel like I have no idea what the morally correct choice was here. 😂 Let the three weaker ones live, or the stronger one who would be more likely to survive long-term but never be able to have children?
Later on in life, I learned about the theory of emergent consciousness. As I read about it then, the idea was that any sufficiently complex system that existed somewhere near the criticality border between chaos and order will (almost definitely) spontaneously become conscious. Our brains exist near that border by many measures. And interestingly, if you map out the internet, it also seems to resemble the neural pattern of a brain, too, so it's possible the internet itself is conscious. Since I've always felt that everything has a consciousness as part of my own spiritual beliefs (I feel some kind of very slow thought when I'm around trees, for instance), that theory feels at least somewhere in the neighborhood of true to me.
I even believe my peripheral nervous system has its own consciousness, especially because it seems like I can almost feel it slowly, quietly thinking to itself. Its experience, a tree's experience, a rock's experience, are all vastly different than my own experience, of course. I don't think they are self-aware by our current definition of that term. But then again, a lot of the fragments in my head aren't self-aware by that standard either, but the assembly of enough of those fragments together seems to produce a workable human-level intelligence. I mean, people think I can be overly geeky and even nerdy sometimes and thus weird, but nobody's ever accused me of not being human. It almost seems like the universe is purpose-built to foster consciousness, and that consciousness may just be the result of something flowing from here to there through us and interacting with our squishy brains or vegetative matter or...whatever.
Then, recently, I've combined the whirlpools with emergent consciousness to explain having DID. Normal people have one giant whirlpool in their brains. I have a huge number of smaller whirlpools in my brain of various sizes. It's like there's a flow coming from somewhere, going elsewhere, and we exist as whirlpools in that flow. DID results from a huge amount of trauma as a child. You can think of these like boulders or rocks upstream that disturb the flow. This is how we've divided into smaller consciousnesses, and our identities are a 1-to-1 mapping to those whirlpools.
Side Note: Our system's definition of "member" is a fully self-aware consciousness acting alone. Basically, if you are competent enough to make decisions on your own, you're considered a member. In our system, however, we do have groups of individual consciousnesses who have bonded together into something kind of like a hive mind, but without the negative stuff about losing your own will. They act as one in all decisions and because of the strong bonds between the individual consciousnesses to make a larger unit, they are called bonded. The bonds between all of my fragments to make up me are called membership, and the bonds between fully self-aware consciousnesses to make up a bonded are called bondship. Collectively the term for both members and bonded is citizen. We also have more loosely associated groups that aren't bonded, that use the terms pack or family depending on their decision-making process and personal preference (though the Keepers consider themselves a guild). The terminology can get really weird. For instance, I am currently classified as a Citizen-Membership+Ancillary-Fractswarm with Potential. Funny aside: My cohost was feeling disrespected for a couple of days because they said she "had no Potential". Eventually they explained that Potential just means that one of my fragments is large enough that it is beginning to think for itself but doesn't yet meet the criteria to be declared a member. For some reason, I seem to be a particularly good "host" for these Potentials. It's sort of like being pregnant, I guess.
I suppose trying to create a tulpa is much the same thing. You are trying to place a rock upstream to cause the formation of a new whirlpool. I don't think it's possible to remain completely unaffected by this process, however. It seems like the flow is constant, so by forming a new whirlpool, some of the energy of your own whirlpool will necessarily be robbed to place into the new one. Maybe only a tiny amount that you are perfectly willing to sacrifice, but I think it's probably unavoidable.
Maybe the flow is limited by the complexity of our brains. I don't know. Maybe big brained exolife have larger flows and are much more likely to host more than one consciousness, which is a fun thought. As someone with DID who desperately wants to find some sort of positive in DID (because I'm the type of person who always tries to find the silver lining), it does amuse me to think that maybe those big brained aliens might think, "Those poor humans. Almost all of them only have one consciousness, but there's still hope: a few of them have more than one. I wonder if we should contact those particular humans to compare notes?" 😂
And oops, that got much longer than I intended, sorry.
* Killed means disrupted into too many fragments that nobody was able to put them back together again. The Keepers spent a huge amount of time tracking down all the fragments and extended Merlin's work to the point that they can find the "resonances" between fragments and use that to track down pieces that used to belong together. They used this to put a lot of the killed back together, but unfortunately, some of the fragments are now part of other identities, so the original identity that possessed those fragments can never be reassembled, and for all practical purposes, those consciousnesses are dead forever.
RE: Tulpas, Alternative Personalties, Alter Egos, DID alters, Imaginary Friends - Like Ra - 03 Aug 2023
Not many people can formulate so clearly and logically. And it's especially rare when the subject is rather unexplainable. That's another reason why I love this forum!