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RE: Phytoestrogens - Like Ra - 05 Apr 2021
More benefits (including skin rejuvenation and alcoholism inhibition):
A comprehensive review on Pueraria: Insights on its chemistry and medicinal value
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0753332220309276
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.biopha.2020.110734
Wiki Talk: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3APueraria_mirifica
Personal experience (he was 40 at the time of the experiment) : https://crossdressersociety.com/marcy-reveals-breast-growth-secret
Not a clean experiment, as PM was used along with Saw Palmetto (a herbal supplements for reducing the amount of testosterone) and breast enlargement body cream. The result was a very noticeable breast development. He stopped after 5 months. Also he's affiliated with the PM supplier.
https://sissythings.com/10-feminizing-herbs-that-increase-estrogen/
Quote:I happen to be one sissy that is very interested in the effects this feminizing herb can have on the body. I’ve been taking 1,000mg of PM per day over the past 90 days. My skin is noticeably smoother and my nipples are more sensitive, tingling and a little sore.
A word of warning: Pueraria mirifica may cause you to gain unwanted weight. I’ve put on five fucking pounds over the past couple of weeks—no way it could’ve been the ice-cream!
This is an interesting one:
Quote:I purchased this item (4 bottles) in January 2016 and started taking 4 capsules a day a few days later on February 1. After a month I noticed my skin feels much smoother and the amount of body hair growth has slowed considerably. However, the hair on top of my head is growing faster and is much fuller and softer to the touch. Being a 60 year old straight male, I am very happy with these changes. Note that I am not attempting to transition - my goals for taking this supplement are to lessen body hair growth, reduce skin wrinkles, and improve how my skin looks. As a thin-built 165 pound, 5 foot 11 inch guy, adding a little fullness and curvature to my chest and butt would be a bonus.
It has now been almost two months taking 4 capsules a day. I noticed yesterday that my right nipple has a small lump under it now, and is very sensitive to touch (it feels great!). There is no lump under my left nipple, but expect it will happen soon. There is also very noticeable size gain on both right and left side of my chest. And to my surprise, my butt has firmed up a little and my wife says it has gotten a little bigger. Actually, at my age, I am surprised there is anything going on! I find it amazing that this stuff can actually trigger this kind of development in a guy my age. But looking in the mirror is proving it to me!
I plan to continue taking the PM, but may cut down to 2 or 3 a day – will have to see. I like all the changes so far, but don't want my chest to get too big. B-cup is plenty!
There have also been some other noticeable changes. If this makes sense, I smell a little different now. My wife says she likes how I smell, and has commented about it a few times. She has also said that my skin looks better and has a slight “glow” to it now. I can't see it, but that's what she said. And since my hair is looking so good, I am letting it grow out. The amount of grey in my hair is less now and it's taking on more of the darker blond color it was 20 years ago. My chest and leg hair is growing much more slowly, and it's much less coarse. I shave my chest (personal preference) and like the decreased body hair. The hair on my chin is also growing a lot slower.
I guess the bottom line is that this stuff really works! How well it works is an individual thing. Everyone is different. I think you will see changes too, but you have to be patient. Giving it only 30 days or only taking it sporadically will not work. You need to take them every day, and stick to it. Also be sure you're getting all the right nutrients. I take a multivitamin, vitamin E, vitamin B complex, and calcium supplements every day too. I'm sure that has helped.
RE: Phytoestrogens - Like Ra - 05 Apr 2021
From what I found on the web (real user experience)
- the result vary from nothing to significant
- if taken with blockers PM becomes quite effective at growing breast
- dosage is individual and important
- if you are on PM most likely you will gain weight
- coffee reduces the effect
- Estrogen alone does not bring testosterone level down, it might be even the other way around (can that explain the highly energetic Thai men who take PM?) Also: https://www.medpagetoday.com/meetingcoverage/endo/46497
Apparently, PM can be indeed quite beneficial for men if the the dosage is kept relatively low. Not like 2-4g a day... Pfff...
Edit: what they take is not known, most likely it's not P. mirifica, but P. lobata, hence the huge dosage. See the post below.
RE: Phytoestrogens - Like Ra - 05 Apr 2021
(27 Feb 2021, 17:39 )Tinker D Wrote: This is what I use. Plane and simple.I checked a bunch of Ali products, and the descriptions honestly say, that's what is claimed to be "P. mirifica" (aka Kwao Krue from Thailand) is actually P. Lobata (aka Kudzu from China). And they ARE different. Here's a quick summary:
All others have fillers. And cost more.
https://orientalheritageherbalists.com/what-differentiates-pueraria-mirifica-from-pueraria-labota
Or see the attached article above: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0753332220309276
So, check the ingredients properly and ask the seller (not that it guarantees anything 😁 )
(27 Feb 2021, 17:39 )Tinker D Wrote: Like I said, this seems to work for me.
What are the effects you observed?
RE: Phytoestrogens - Like Ra - 07 Apr 2021
(27 Feb 2021, 17:39 )Tinker D Wrote: This is what I use. Plane and simple.
All others have fillers. And cost more.
Like I said, this seems to work for me.
Found it on eBay: Pueraria Mirifica $13.29, from Thailand. Sounds legit so far.
eBay Wrote:Pueraria powder is originally white but since the roots were added to the powder this has made the powder darker (Darker or lighter tanish brown) (Pueraria roots when added are said to possibly increase the effects more than with out the roots
Errrm... That looks suspicious. Shouldn't it be roots only? According to "Medical applications of phytoestrogens from the Thai herb Pueraria mirifica"
Quote:The bioactive compounds in P. mirifica are found in the tuberous root, in accordance with the observation that it is the roots in particular that have been used by local communities in Thailand for over a hundred years
From the feedbacks:
Quote:FAKE PUERARIA MIRIFICA! REAL PUERARIA MIRIFICA IS NOT BROWN! SELLER IS A CON!
This is the photo from another lot (same seller) Pueraria Mirifica powder
Definitely brown, what is, indeed, wrong.
Then:
eBay Wrote:500mg extract capsules x 100 = one bag, Total mg per bag = 15,000mg, as per the picture in the listing and title
10:1 Extract equivalent to 5g (5000mg) of standard Pueraria Mirifca
. . .
Take 1 or 2 capsules once or twice a day after a meal or with a glass of water
If under 10:1 they mean, that the extract is "10 times diluted", then:
500mg / 10 = 50mg per pill
(15,000 should be 50,000 obviously 😁)
According to "Medical applications of phytoestrogens from the Thai herb Pueraria mirifica" the dosage is:
Quote:The ordinary dosage of P. mirifica for women and men is about a peppercorn-sized piece, equivalent to about 250 mg/50 kg BW or 5 mg/kg BW, taken once a day at night.
and according to "Efficacy Comparison of Pueraria mirifica (PM) against Conjugated Equine Estrogen (CEE) with/without Medroxyprogesterone Acetate (MPA) in the Treatment of Climacteric Symptoms in Perimenopausal Women: Phase III Study" (attached)
Quote:The subjects were randomized for dosages of 50 mg of PM (women)
. . .
phase II of the PM study clinically demonstrated that PM, both daily dosage of raw material of 50 and 100 mg, alleviates the climacteric symptoms in perimenopausal women
The proposed in the eBay lot dosage looks correct.
But still you have no idea what's in fact in those pills! 😁
@Tinker D - what is your experience/dosage/effects?
RE: Phytoestrogens - Like Ra - 07 Apr 2021
✔ ingredients: Pueraria Mirifica (white Krua Kwao Kao), zero fillers, binders, etc
✔ it's white
✔ origin: Thailand
✖ dosage: 500mg-1000mg daily. If it's "undiluted", then it's 5-10 times more the "recommended" value
✖ how are you going to measure 50mg?
✔ sent directly from Thailand
✔ ingredients: 100% Natural Organic Pueraria mirifica root - Nothing Else
✔ dosage: 1 capsule (250mg) per day (if it's not diluted, then this corresponds to the Thai recommended 250mg/50kG)
So, this one looks much better than the rest. This is the store: apinyngamplan_0
However the description of PM powder from the same seller is very confusing!
Quote:Department of Medical Sciences Recommend and determine how to eat Kwao Krua to be suitable and safe to eat is not more than 1-2 mg per day. Or daily not more than 1000 milligrams
For eating as an herb, use Pueraria Mirifica powder mixed with honey. Then mold into bolus the size of a pepper seed and eat 1 tablet a day.
1 milligram pueraria powder (half a teaspoon) mixed with warm water to drink.
Errrmmm... What? Also, I've never seen these warnings before:
Quote:Should not be used with Kwao Krua with people under the age of 20, pregnant or breastfeeding mothers People with cancer, thyroid tumors, enlarged cysts, uterine and ovarian diseases. Including those who drink alcohol or are at risk of developing liver cancer And people with splenomegaly
Should consume the same amount of Pueraria mirifica and not eat for more than 6 months consecutively, because it may cause thick testicle membranes or breast lump. Causing splenomegaly Also at risk of coronary heart disease or flatulence
That was quite a research! 😊
RE: Phytoestrogens - PurpleVibes - 07 Apr 2021
Incredible research 😁, I'd dare to say this is the ultimate guide to purchasing PM.
RE: Phytoestrogens - chaste4panties - 10 Apr 2021
While results likely will differ person to person, I can attest that some effects can be seen as a result of a daily dosing of the saw palmetto, licorice root, and other foods like tofu etc. Was not aiming for it. Former spouse had read the combinations were promoting various good health and started giving it to me all the time. I guess she should have noted it was a women's journal she'd read the article in. All I know is over those couple months, there was a change.
RE: Phytoestrogens - Like Ra - 10 Apr 2021
(10 Apr 2021, 05:34 )chaste4panties Wrote: All I know is over those couple months, there was a change.What for changes have you noticed?
RE: Phytoestrogens - chaste4panties - 10 Apr 2021
(10 Apr 2021, 15:16 )Like Ra Wrote:(10 Apr 2021, 05:34 )chaste4panties Wrote: All I know is over those couple months, there was a change.What for changes have you noticed?
Nothing hugely dramatic but did seem 5 o'clock shadow occurred later, gained a few pounds, and coincidentally my doc noted t levels were lowered during a routine checkup. actually felt less motivated to work out too.
RE: Phytoestrogens - Like Ra - 10 Apr 2021
(10 Apr 2021, 17:55 )chaste4panties Wrote: 5 o'clock shadow occurred laterThat's a positive
(10 Apr 2021, 17:55 )chaste4panties Wrote: gained a few poundsThat's a negative
(10 Apr 2021, 17:55 )chaste4panties Wrote: t levels were loweredThat's expected, because saw palmetto isa T-blocker.
(10 Apr 2021, 17:55 )chaste4panties Wrote: actually felt less motivated to work out tooThat might be a consequence of the low T-level.
So, indeed, something is working, and it's close to the expectation. Next question - do you like the results? 😉