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RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - TamedOz - 29 May 2025
I thought it was 3000mg, since the bottle says 5000mg extract at 1:10. But reading your research in this thread does make me wonder about the quality of the PM I've bought. I might get a different brand.
The thread I've read where the author cited the most success was suggesting 2000 to 3000mg provided you don't have severe side effects.
I started with lower doses and worked up to this after a few weeks.
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - TamedOz - 30 May 2025
On a related matter, how reliable is the PM capsules provided by PuraFem? Anyone have any experience or knowledge?
https://www.purafem.com/product/pueraria-mirifica-capsules
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - Ash1d0 M1na - 01 Jun 2025
I tried them. They good
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - TamedOz - 11 Jun 2025
I've received my PuraFem supply and started taking them Today. Interestingly the label specifies the dosage as 2 capsules twice a day, and the capsules are listed as 700mg. Doesn't sound like it lines up with the dosages discussed here. For now I'm taking 2 a day, will see if I up the dosage.
Being a larger guy (6"3, ~120kg) standard dosages of anything tend to be too low for my body. I'm listening to my body and am prepared to stop if I notice any significant negative side effects, but otherwise I'm not too worried about high dosage other than that it might dampen the effect of the phytoestrogens as it sounds like there is a sweet spot.
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - Like Ra - 11 Jun 2025
(11 Jun 2025, 02:57 )TamedOz Wrote: PuraFem supplyWhat's inside? Just Pueraria? Or PM with hops? Or with Aguaje or something?
I wonder why my PM is so effective. Possibly they put estradiol into it... 😅
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - TamedOz - 11 Jun 2025
(11 Jun 2025, 14:15 )Like Ra Wrote:(11 Jun 2025, 02:57 )TamedOz Wrote: PuraFem supplyWhat's inside? Just Pueraria? Or PM with hops? Or with Aguaje or something?
I wonder my PM is so effective. Possibly they put estradiol ino it... 😅
They claim it's PM root, rice flour and magnesium. And then on the other side the dosage indication is 2 twice a day.
Will see how I go. I suspect the other ones I was using before weren't good quality. Guess that's the risk with eBay.
I do wonder why you don't see PM in a well known supplier like Nature's Own. They have every other herbal supplement you can think of
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - TamedOz - 12 Jun 2025
On a related topic, I read an article Today about a Chinese man who started to grow breasts after leaning heavily into fitness and protein shakes due to a health scare. This part intrigued me:
"He went to the hospital for examination and was told that while his fatty liver had been cured, his breasts had now started to develop. "Both his female and male hormones were higher than normal," said a doctor at the local hospital.
"Among all the sex hormones, androgen tested the highest, which indicates that he might have taken excessive androgen-related medications. The androgen then turned into female sex hormones that eventually led to the development of his breasts," the doctor explained."
Based on this, as counter intuitive as it might sound... would it perhaps then be possible to shift toward estrogen imbalance by increasing androgen/testosterone levels while taking DHT blockers?
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - Like Ra - 12 Jun 2025
Two enzymes:
- aromatase converts testosterone to estrogen
- 5a-reductase converts testosterone to DHT
Hence:
- the more testosterone, the more estrogen (small balls/penis
- typical bodybuilders issue)
- the less DHT, the more estrogene (it's written in all instructions to finasteride/dutasteride - possible feminization)
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - TamedOz - 12 Jun 2025
I would experiment with this approach, but I feel like increasing testosterone without being absolutely sure about the efficacy of herbal DHT blockers might end up just flooding my system with testosterone.
And leave me with male pattern baldness, which I've been lucky to avoid so far.
RE: Phytoestrogens and magic herbs - Like Ra - 12 Jun 2025
(12 Jun 2025, 10:16 )TamedOz Wrote: the efficacy of herbal DHT blockers might end up just flooding my system with testosterone.Yes, what leads to increased estrogen.
(12 Jun 2025, 10:16 )TamedOz Wrote: And leave me with male pattern baldnessNo, because it's not caused by testosterone, but by dihydrotestosterone (DHT).