The Esoteric Side of Hypnosis: Mind After Matter.

[stuff123]

I mean if you look at the esoteric side of every religion all over the planet since the dawn of man we have always been aware of the other side, all religions are the same when you pull away the silly historical interpretations and read between the lines instead of thinking they are literal.

This generalization overlooks the profound differences between religions in terms of beliefs, practices, and worldviews.
While Esoteric interpretations may find common ground in mysticism, mainstream religious teachings differ significantly. 
For instance, the monotheism of Abrahamic religions contrasts sharply with the polytheism of Hinduism or the non-theistic nature of Buddhism.

The very recent and small blip of materialism was born out of the monotheistic religions, i.e. dualism. The belief of man as separate from the whole and that we are not all one is what gave birth to atheism, which even Darwin the genius who proposed the theory was way beyond, just look at all his other works school didn't teach you,

Are you linking materialism and atheism to monotheistic religions and dualism? Or in other words, they arose as a deviation from a more unified spiritual understanding?
Materialism can be traced back to ancient Greek philosophy; Democritus and Epicurus. This is long before monotheistic religions.

Darwin's work focused on natural selection and biological evolution, interpreting his views as endorsing spiritual or esoteric perspective is a bit of a stretch.

and even still we are now moving on to breakthroughs in physics on a quantum level, we can create life like virtual realities, there are drugs that can send people to seemingly alternate realms where time is suspended, people can achieve similar through breathwork,

Scientific process, including quantum physics, does not necessarily imply the existence of other dimensions in a spiritual sense. Their interpretations are still a matter of scientific debate, and implications for spirituality are still speculative.

the CIA worked with Bob Monroe in astral projection, so outside of materialism and dumbed down religious views we have always been aware of other dimensions and still are.
Neuroscientist agreeing with the ancient teaching of Buddhism, UFO sightings, and the thousands of other things that would tell anyone who questions things that there is more to life than brain and senses, 

These various phenomena lack verifiable evidence and the validity of these claims is often questioned within scientific and academic communities.
Personal and anecdotal experiences might be compelling, but we must remember they do not constitute to proof or spiritual or non-material dimensions.

the only people who really believe in materialism and a lack of a spiritual existence are the poorly educated people over the last 100 years, all the elites believe it, the celebrities, the royal families, the richest and most powerful people on the planet all go to clubs and lodges where they engage in ritual work with ancient godfroms etc.. atheism is just the end result of 2000+ years of dualism (the new monotheistic faiths. Just my opinion though lol

The argument does not serve as evidence for the validity of such beliefs. The practices of a select group of people do not establish a universal truth, and relying on the behavior of elites as proof can be seen as an appeal to authority.

[Bim-K-Ultra]

Which brings me back to my original point, you have clearly boxed yourself into a way of thinking that is limiting your experience. And that's why your experience with Kei's Mindwarp is a mundane one. 

Your need for this world to be solid is what's keeping you bound to it. You believe the dream to be reality and are so pulled around by its imagery,

[Bim-K-Ultra]

"so I will warn you that if this is the path you want to choose to be prepared for your self, and your ego or image of self, to be changed."


This is why I am using and enjoying, I'd love to hear what u mean though?
If my ideals are a wrong can you share what is correct?
I won't stop listening anytime soon as I'm enjoying my bond

[Like Ra]

AHH okay, perhaps it's marketing haha..

Now you? You also deleted your posts? Also marketing?

[Bim-K-Ultra]

Just regret here brehhhh

[Like Ra]

I'd be interested in discussing egregores

On egregores:

https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...3#pid27793
https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...0#pid30350
https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/Thread...3#pid30393

[Like Ra]

Personal and anecdotal experiences might be compelling, but we must remember they do not constitute to proof or spiritual or non-material dimensions.

Interestingly enough, almost 2500 years ago, in hot disputes between Buddhist and Hinduists (and within the confessions) using personal and/or spiritual experience as an argument was forbidden, because unprovable.

[Like Ra]

What I am mostly trying to say is that I do not believe there is actually another entity, not in the same concept of you and I being humans, or living creatures that have a physical form.

I don't personally believe things like egregore's actually exist outside of psychological human tendencies to be a part of groups, however large, and "fit in" etc. 

Not everything has a physical form, not everything can be perceived by human senses, not everything can be measured (by the existing tools).
Also, not everything can be understood.
There is also something, that can not be understood (yet or forever), which can be perceived by human senses or by tools, and which can follow some "rules".
This "something" might also be "unmeasurable" and exist only as an "error" in a mathematical equation.

Examples:

With some high enough probability (<- important! We live in the world of probabilities)

- you do not see how "something" hit the water, but based on the waves you can calculate the time and place of the event, the weight and the form of that "something", etc.

- you see, that animals/insects behave unexpectedly, but repeatedly and independently in distant locations

- you notice, that humans behave/feel "specifically" in certain places, or after certain words

- you calculate, that planets/stars/black holes do not conform to the "reasonable" equations.

To understand/research/use that "something" or "certain", we need to call it somehow. Thus, the following terms appeared: magnetic field, radiation, dark matter, dark energy, phlogiston, God, witch, devil, egregore, neutrino, boson, consciousness, sub-consciousness, collective consciousness, collective unconsciousness, energo-informational structure, thoughtform, spirit, succubus, elemental, big bang, string, etc.

[Like Ra]

While what I said above sounds obvious (please let me know if it's not the case) and boring, there is a reason behind that.

Let's assume there is "something", that we do not know (yet or forever) what it, actually is, what it consists of, how it works, why it exists, etc. Let's call it a "black box" (BB). I think, it's quite humanly natural to "test" it, to see its reaction, and, if possible, use it.

A simplified example: NLP calls (sub)conscious a BB, and devised ~200 techniques to use this BB "relatively predictably".

Also, it's humanly natural to classify things and notice similarities. "It was noticed" that organizations, countries, religions, clubs, sects, flocks, prides, packs, murders, etc have similarities. And information, behaviouristic patterns are passed non-verbally to the members. Remember the typical Japanese martial arts dojos? New members are not allowed to participate in the trainings, only to clean up the dojos and wash dirty Gis. After a couple of years, they are allowed to sneak in to the last row during the trainings. Nothing is explained to them. They just try to mimic, what they see. All those rituals and meditations are intended to tune own vibrations to the "spirit" of the dojo. Then they begin to "understand". They tune to the BB, they provide the energy of attention, they get some energy and information back. During the trainings, the oldest and the most experienced members train much harder, than the new members (obviously). They provide more energy to the BB, and the BB provides the excess of the energy to the new members (to help them to train, to motivate them). Those who practised martial arts know perfectly, that what they can do during collective trainings, not possible to do alone.

In Japan, those BBs are called spirits. The spirit of the forest. The spirit of the river. The spirit of the dojo. The spirit of the tree. In Japan, you are supposed to be "tuned to the spirits" and understand "between the lines".
"Would you like coffee or tea?"
"Yes, please".
And you MUST understand if it's coffee or tea! If not - you are not a part of this society, you are not tuned to it.

In the Western esoteric culture, they call such BBs egregores or energo-informational structures.
In the Western science, they call such BBs collective consciousness or thoughtforms.

Those BBs are unknowables, just like consciousness. But they can be used. You can tune to a BB, you can pay with your energy, you can get information or service back.
You live in a country, you pay taxes, you get some free services, depending on the country.
You work for a company, you pay with your service, you get some money and info how to behave, what to do, how to progress.

[jadefortyfour]

Worth a watch (listen).  Any meaningful discussion of these topics must begin with a discussion of human consciousness and its fundamental attributes and dependencies. 

And while this is based on personal experience - which we know cannot be used as a basis for objective proofs, we must also consider that 'scientific proofs' are also fundamentally personal experiences.

Source: https://youtu.be/e6yFxJVIvNw
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