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#1
Hi All,

I'm not sure if anybody has read about this in the news before.

Basically this MI6 "spy" was found locked in a large sports bag. Many newspapers etc have said that it was impossible for him to have done so. However I wonder if there were some method of doing so.

This is the bag, it was locked through the holes in the two zips.

Bag

Here is more info about the story. Likera.com is mentioned in the article.

MI6 spy found dead in bag

What do people think?
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#2
I think it'd very possible depending on the flexibility of the person. It also proves that good bondage is safe bondage, and many people need to be careful.

Especially if you are inexperienced like me and don't know what the hell you're doing XD
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#3
I blame Moriarty Wink Working via Irene Adler, of course. And as Mycroft said, 'Of course I don't trust the security services, they spy on people for money'.

Seriously though, I'm a bit spooked (heh) that we're evidently on MI6's watch list Shok
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#4
I thought I wrote about that.. Apparently not.

OK, I was contacted by the investigators (MI6? Police? Journalists? the letter was signed by a journalist, BTW) and was asked if it is possible to do by yourself. I "proposed" several variants, but my conclusion was - "No, it's not possible to do that alone". I do not think it was self-bondage. Most likely a "wrong partner" or a planned murder (with some help from a "wrong partner")
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#5
This is my response from Jun 01, 2011:

Dear xxx,

I've just searched for some information on Gareth Williams, and it
appears that this case is not related to self-bondage practices.

Some quotes:

"... body was discovered in a padlocked sports holdall submerged in 'a
fluid' in the bath..."
" ...Inside was a body, in such a contorted position that he thought
its "legs and arms had been cut off".."
"Slender 5ft 7in Gareth had been stuffed inside the near-airtight red
North Face sports bag and placed in the bath"
"studying the zips and lock, police became certain that he could not
have locked himself inside. And there was further proof that someone
else must have been in the flat with him: his front door had been
locked from the outside."

Anyway, I do not think (even if the person is an extreme
contortionist, like Zlata -
http://www.likera.com/blog/wp/archives/tag/zlata ) it would be
possible to get into the bag and, moreover, lock it from the outside.
Also, from what I understand, no "time-release mechanisms" were found.

...

No, [it's not related to any published scenario]. As I said above, it does not seem to be possible, unless the bag is made from very soft material, what theoretically could make grabbing small things (through the material)
possible.

Another possibility is lockable sliders (
http://www.likera.com/blog/wp/lockable-c...le-zippers
). If you lock such a slider, you can close the zip, but not open it.
No idea how to open the lock from the inside unless (again) the
material is thin and soft enough.

...

No, I was not contacted by any journalists or police.

...

Best regards,
LR
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#6
Ah, I remember now. The reason I did not mention that is that it does not look like a self-bondage case.

(30 Jan 2012, 23:12 )culmor Wrote: Seriously though, I'm a bit spooked (heh) that we're evidently on MI6's watch list

Who is not? Big Grin
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#7
How intresting that somebody contacted you.

I was thinking that, if it was just locked through the holes in the zips. Could you not start with the zips and padlock on the inside, lock it and then feed the padlock through the gap between the two zips so it became on the outside? After all they keys were found inside the bag.

Getting in that position would be another matter.
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#8
Just in case, the whole article:

MI6 spy found dead in bag: Gareth Williams visited bondage websites, drag cabaret and gay bars

A British spy whose naked body was found padlocked into a sports bag in the bath of his flat in central London had been visiting bondage websites and drag clubs and had a £15,000 collection of women’s designer clothing, police have disclosed.

Officers investigating the death of Gareth Williams, a GCHQ code breaker who was on secondment to MI6, have released details of his unusual private life and explained the extraordinary riddle that surrounds his death.

While the death is officially described as “suspicious” rather than murder, officers also released e-fits of a Mediterranean couple that visited the flat a few weeks later and let themselves in with a key.

Det Chief Supt Hamish Campbell, the head of Scotland Yard’s murder squad, said he was aware that the details would be “embarrassing, hurtful and distressing” for Mr Williams’s family but said they supported the appeal for anyone that had encountered him in the nightclubs, online or at women’s clothing shops to come forward.

“We are very sure that someone else was in that flat. We want to know the circumstances when you would leave somebody in that position, by accident or design,” he added.

Det Chief Insp Jacqueline Sebire, who is leading the inquiry, described Mr Williams, 31, from Anglesey in North Wales, as an “intensely private person” who had kept his lifestyle hidden from friends and family.

His body was found in a red North Face holdall on August 23 after he failed to turn up to work at MI6’s headquarters at Vauxhall Cross in London.

Inside the flat, police found half a dozen boxes with neatly folded, apparently unused women’s designer clothing and shoes, along with a number of wigs.

The clothing had been bought online and in smart shops in London’s West End, starting in 2008 and going up until a few weeks before Mr Williams died.

They were all in small sizes that would have fitted Mr Williams, who was 5ft 8ins tall and weighed around 9st.

The labels included Stella McCartney, Christopher Kane and Christian Louboutin shoes, and the collection came to around £15,000.

Mr Williams was not in debt, police said, and there were no signs that unaccounted sums of money had been paid in or left his bank account.

Unknown to his family and colleagues, Mr Williams had also attended two, six to eight week courses in fashion design for beginners at the prestigious Central St Martin’s College of Art and Design in London during evenings and weekends, one in 2010 and one in 2009, passing both courses.

Mr Williams had recently visited the West Coast of the US for his work which involved working on computers and intercept techniques, and had combined the trip with a fly-drive holiday.

He arrived back in Britain on Wednesday August 11 and two days later he went to the Bistrotheque restaurant and bar in Bethnal Green, East London to watch Jimmy Woo, a drag artist.

CCTV recovered later showed him wearing cream trousers and a blue t-shirt.

“He went alone and left alone,” DCI Sebire said. “He chatted to people at the event but it was nothing other than small talk.”

The spy also had two single tickets for two other drag acts at the Vauxhall Tavern in South London, not far from MI6 headquarters, for each of the following weekends.

A single witness has also said they chatted to him at a gay bar called Barcode in Vauxhall in May, although police have been unable to trace any sexual partners, either heterosexual or homosexual.

However examination of his personal laptop and personal mobile phone showed that he had visited five separate bondage websites, beginning with a search on the encyclopedia site Wikipedia and followed up with the sites hogtie.com, boundanna.com, artofconstriction.com and likera.com.

The evidence recovered from the computer and phone does not show whether he chatted to anyone online, but some of the sites had chat forums, police said.

The sites were said to be primarily pictures of women and “how to guides” and Mr Williams visited them on only four occasions between the end of 2009 and a few weeks before he died. There was no sign that he had visited any pornographic websites.
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#9
Interesting detail - the bag was made of neoprene.


MI6 spy Gareth Williams: keys found under body inside the holdall

Detectives investigating the death of the MI6 spy Gareth Williams have disclosed that keys to the padlock on the sports bag were found inside the North Face holdall, underneath Mr Williams’s naked body.


An expert on rescuing people from confined spaces has told investigators that it would be impossible to lock the bag from the inside, although the keys are not necessary to close the padlock.

Other keys were found in the flat which could have opened the padlock but were not obviously laid out.

The expert got into the bag, which is made of a synthetic rubber called Neoprene, on behalf of the police and discovered that within three minutes the temperature had reached 30 degrees Celsius and after half an hour the oxygen had run out.

A post mortem suggests Mr Williams died in the early hours of Monday August 16 but his body was not found until a week later.

The cause of death remains inconclusive and, although he had some bruising to his elbows, there is no sign that he put up a struggle.
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Police believe he either climbed into the bag voluntarily as part of a sex game or was unconscious when placed there.

There was no sign of disturbance in the flat and nothing appears to be missing, however police found four mobile phones, none of which have helped them locate his killer.

Despite that, forensic examination at the flat has found traces of unidentified individuals.

A Mediterranean couple visited the block of four flats in Pimlico late one Friday or Saturday evening and were let into the hallway by a neighbour, to whom they suggested that they were visiting a man called Pierre Paulo in Mr Williams flat and had keys to let themselves into his flat.

DCI Jacqueline Sebire, leading the inquiry, said: “Gareth is an intensely private person and would not give his key out to anyone, even his own family.”
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#10
Nice to hear that the following sites are not considered pornographic:

(01 Feb 2012, 00:46 )Like Ra Wrote: beginning with a search on the encyclopedia site Wikipedia and followed up with the sites hogtie.com, boundanna.com, artofconstriction.com and likera.com.

(01 Feb 2012, 00:46 )Like Ra Wrote: There was no sign that he had visited any pornographic websites.
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