General hypnosis and NLP (Neuro-Linguistic Programming) discussion

[Hazel]

I mean does it really work?

It depends on you 😊

In your experience have you seen any noticeable changes?

[Like Ra]

In your experience have you seen any noticeable changes?

It's not about hypnosis, it's not about feminization, it's not about transitioning, but about transformation, the world, the Force. Do not expect anything, just read it if you have some spare time. At least download, while the books are still available.

Just in case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda

[Hazel]

In your experience have you seen any noticeable changes?

It's not about hypnosis, it's not about feminization, it's not about transitioning, but about transformation, the world, the Force. Do not expect anything, just read it if you have some spare time. At least download, while the books are still available.

Just in case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Castaneda

OK, I'll take a look. Thanks again.

[Hazel]

How does one permanently remove attraction to women? Because I know the brain is plastic and that hypnosis works only when you deeply want it to, and I really want this to work, so what can possibly be going wrong?  🤔

[Hazel]

How does one permanently remove attraction to women? Because I know the brain is plastic and that hypnosis works only when you deeply want it to, and I really want this to work, so what can possibly be going wrong?  🤔

Also want to add that could sexual orientation be more than a conditioned or hard-wired physical response? Is there some hypnosis that could maybe change the metaphysical/energetic component of attraction and then that would trickle down and change things in the brain?

[Like Ra]

Psychologists and sexologists, please correct me if I'm wrong, but usually the particular prevails over the general. E.g. I love all Korean girls, but I do not like this one. All Russians are terrible and evil, but this guy is trustworthy. We might be (generally) attracted to boys, but fell in love with a girl, marry her, and live with her all life long. And the "internal characteristics" can not be overestimated.

Then. You can condition your body to react a certain way to certain triggers. However, the built-in sexuality cannot be changed (the acquired sexuality, e.g. by traumas, can be changed). The real homo/heterosexuality can't be cured even by the shock therapy (poor Alan Turing...) See, for example, this article: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/ele...or-1749066

   

Techniques tested on gay men in the 1960s that would supposedly help turn them into heterosexuals included ‘psychotherapeutic cures’ involving giving subjects LSD and then talking through ‘conflicts’ in their life with a psychiatrist to determine what may have caused them to becoming homosexuals.

‘Chemical aversion’ – in which patients were played a taped interview of them describing their homosexual practices while being injected a vomit-inducing drug – was also tried. The practice had limited success; Joyce’s book describes how one subject who underwent the treatment left his wife and went to live with a man less than two months later.

Another person who went through the procedure at the age of 18 described how being repeatedly injected to be made to be violently sick in a small, windowless room was “like a horror movie”.

The book also recounts the case of a soldier called Gerald William Clegg-Hill who was convicted of homosexual offences in 1962 and ordered to undergo six months of treatment. He died within three days after injections resulted in stomach haemorrhages, convulsions and a coma. “To spare his family’s embarrassment, Billy’s death was quietly attributed to ‘natural causes’,” explains the book.

Electrical aversion – or shock – therapy was also used, being first tried in a hospital in Surrey in 1963 and gradually being used more extensively around the country. One man who underwent the treatment as a 19-year-old said the pain of the electric shocks could be “excruciating” and “much worse than touching a live electric cable”. Treatment was carried out at private clinics and NHS hospitals with no oversight of the voltage of electric shock being administered, which varied widely from hospital to hospital.

Back to the topic. Based on my own experience, there is nothing more hetero-reassuring, then homo-inducing hypnofiles 😁 I began to hate men and love women even more. Saying that, I love dicks 😁

[Hazel]

Psychologists and sexologists, please correct me if I'm wrong, but usually the particular prevails over the general. E.g. I love all Korean girls, but I do not like this one. All Russians are terrible and evil, but this guy is trustworthy. We might be (generally) attracted to boys, but fell in love with a girl, marry her, and live with her all life long. And the "internal characteristics" can not be overestimated.

Then. You can condition your body to react a certain way to certain triggers. However, the built-in sexuality cannot be changed (the acquired sexuality, e.g. by traumas, can be changed). The real homo/heterosexuality can't be cured even by the shock therapy (poor Alan Turing...) See, for example, this article: https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/ele...or-1749066

Techniques tested on gay men in the 1960s that would supposedly help turn them into heterosexuals included ‘psychotherapeutic cures’ involving giving subjects LSD and then talking through ‘conflicts’ in their life with a psychiatrist to determine what may have caused them to becoming homosexuals.

‘Chemical aversion’ – in which patients were played a taped interview of them describing their homosexual practices while being injected a vomit-inducing drug – was also tried. The practice had limited success; Joyce’s book describes how one subject who underwent the treatment left his wife and went to live with a man less than two months later.

Another person who went through the procedure at the age of 18 described how being repeatedly injected to be made to be violently sick in a small, windowless room was “like a horror movie”.

The book also recounts the case of a soldier called Gerald William Clegg-Hill who was convicted of homosexual offences in 1962 and ordered to undergo six months of treatment. He died within three days after injections resulted in stomach haemorrhages, convulsions and a coma. “To spare his family’s embarrassment, Billy’s death was quietly attributed to ‘natural causes’,” explains the book.

Electrical aversion – or shock – therapy was also used, being first tried in a hospital in Surrey in 1963 and gradually being used more extensively around the country. One man who underwent the treatment as a 19-year-old said the pain of the electric shocks could be “excruciating” and “much worse than touching a live electric cable”. Treatment was carried out at private clinics and NHS hospitals with no oversight of the voltage of electric shock being administered, which varied widely from hospital to hospital.

Back to the topic. Based on my own experience, there is nothing more hetero-reassuring, then homo-inducing hypnofiles 😁 I began to hate men and love women even more. Saying that, I love dicks 😁

Yeah I know about those historical articles. Those men were forced and traumatized and we all know from psychology how that negatively affects the mind. But i'm different in that I truly want the hypnosis to work. And that is a very, if not the most important element for it to theoretically work. So I am curious why it hasn't worked completely to reprogram my subconscious attraction as i am very open to the suggestions. Maybe its because I am not deep enough into trance?

Also, because I know you are familiar with metaphysics, I wondering if maybe since the mind is a non-physical phenomena, that maybe if I try to change something at a non-physical energetic level (kind of like what kei does) then it could possibly work? There should be something to this because how do people incarnate into different lives and have a completely different orientation from their previous one?

[Like Ra]

I am curious why it hasn't worked completely to reprogram my subconscious attraction as i am very open to the suggestions. Maybe its because I am not deep enough into trance?

You answered it in the previous couple of sentences 😉

you are familiar with metaphysics

Let's agree on what we understand under this word:

https://www.thefreedictionary.com/metaphysics The branch of philosophy that examines the nature of reality, including the relationship between mind and matter, substance and attribute, possibility and actuality.

Wikipedia goes further: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphysics

Sounds like this is what this thread is about! 😁

I try to change something at a non-physical energetic level (kind of like what kei does)

I'm not sure, that Kei does anything special in this area. I would be happy if someone can prove otherwise in this thread: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showth...p?tid=2820

if I try to change something at a non-physical energetic level

... something will definitively change, that's for sure 😊 You know that joke about a doctor, who give only two advices to ill patients:

- Do you play golf? No? Start playing golf.
- Do you play golf? Yes? Stop playing golf.

If you want to change something, you have to change something 😊

the mind is a non-physical phenomena

... which translates "the real world" into the virtual "generally perceptible material world" 😊 Did you manage to download Castaneda's works?

[Hazel]

-Ok, so how do I go deeper into trance to make the suggestions more permanent?

-Also about Kei I mean the Spirit/DG series and all those rituals and spells stuff. Basically deep sexual-reprogramming at the soul/mind level...

[Like Ra]

-Ok, so how do I go deeper into trance to make the suggestions more permanent?

3 times more permanent, than 0? 😁

Also about Kei I mean the Spirit/DG series and all those rituals and spells stuff. Basically deep sexual-reprogramming at the soul/mind level...

If someone says words "spirit", "ritual", "voodoo", "daemon" does it automatically make this person a powerful shaman?