Clean-up and deprogramming hypnosis

[peterpumm]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFAr8RoEjQg

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAFkeHZnQxU

[Bignak]

A very valid point of view. Can be posted in many threads:

From the style of the posts in this and other threads you can deduce that many of the posters here are just teenagers. This is very worrying. Even the just roleplay/fap material "hypnosis" can fuck you up if you are starting that young. Not to mention the real mindfuck ritual stuff, some of which got aeady mentioned in this thread.

As others have aeady said, no single hypnosis session will be able to undo years of conditioning. It is like quitting smoking: You will have to gently fight and defeat the urge in every situation that triggers it, many times over. And willingly take the little pain that comes from sacrificing the small pleasures till the hooks are loosened. Watch yourself closely. Everytime you get triggered by something, there is a short moment where you decide to put something into the trigger. It is then reaped in the form of arousal. If it is strongly conditioned, it might seem nearly automatic, but it always is something you take an active part in.

The first problem is to be concious enough to even identify that little moment. If you really started at 14, then the whole trigger -> input -> reaction process has become like a tiny mental machine that is pretty much part of your personality at this point. There are subtle changes in your breathing, certain muscles tensing, short mental images, a sequence of emotions, etc. when you are triggered. If enough of these trigger machines activate and are unconsciously followed over a short period of time, to much of an emotional charge will build up to resist. A mental discipline like meditation or prayer will be necessary to get the clarity to recognize and undo these automatisms.

The second problem is motivation. The sissy stuff (and porn in general) is absolutely evil. It destroys your confidence, drains your energy and focus, and makes you awkward around others. It even makes you like all these things by associating degradation with arousal. Short periods of catharsis and emotional high are always followed by shame and depression. Then when you are down, it will present itself as a source of love and comfort and suck you back in. At which point you have to warp your mind a little further by rationalizing the bad consequences of your behavior previously experienced. You probably know the cycle by now. A few hard kicks in the balls by life might be necessary, before being able to act on the realization that this is bad for you, even when under the influence of strong emotions that tell you otherwise.

Anti sissy conditioning as requested might even be helpful here to install a positive automatisms against it, for when feelings tell you, it will be okay this time. But there probably isn't a way around some form of meditation to help clear your mind up.

Also don't look down on the Jesus freaks and related people. It is as real as a little but powerful light in your inner center. Much of the stuff in the Bible is just psychonauts talking in a special language about certain things. And when you get some meditation practice you will realize that alchemists, Buddhists, Christians, Eleusinian cultists, Hindus, LSD hippies, magickians, Merkabah mystics, Sufis, Taoists, Zen monks, Zoroastrians,… all talk about the same thing but from arguably very different perspectives. People reading Robert Anton Wilson should also have understood that by now. If you are from a Western background, Christianity and its rituals might even be the easiest way for you to get a foot into the door of your conciousness. These disciplines evolved alongside the people practising them.

I hope some of this will help you. It will be a lot of work for someone who conditioned himself with years of cheap pleasure or went very deep, but transforming yourself is doable. On a positive note: After you managed to get rid of the pleasure parasites and reintegrated the scattered parts of your psyche, you will probably have developed a good character and deep self knowledge. Good luck!

I'm 14 and it f'd me up I haven't listened to alot of files and don't remember which ones I listened to I need help returning to my normal self if you could help I regret ever going on this forum and have developed social anxiety + depression because of this and don't even like to leave the house

[Like Ra]

I need help returning to my normal self if you could help

Just stop listening (if you can) to begin with.

I regret ever going on this forum

8kun/8chan you mean? 😉 Yes, Internet is a dangerous place. Just like "the street". You can get help, you can get hurt. Apparently we all need both to progress.

have developed social anxiety + depression

Everything what happens has a reason. The consensus is that we have to accept it as a challenge.

because of this

You never know what actually caused what.

don't even like to leave the house

Isn't it because the motivation to stay is higher, than the motivation to get out?

[Cattani]

Hey, Bignak,

Here's an anti-hypno deprogramming file. Strong Orthodox Christian themes, but not too aggressively. 
https://sndup.net/6h5p

Combine this with a few weeks of no porn and no hypno (just day by day, no need for megalomaniac plans) and things should work out just fine. NoFap can actually help in some cases.

At 14, and until about 23-24, the brain is still growing, very plastic, and things can be both done and undone more easily in some respects, than later on.

Also, at 14-15 is the perfect age to spend a year in a weird "insane" state, which in the past was culturally encoded as "OMG I'm in love" or "OMG I'm unhappily in love". In the sense that people have a number of more or less hardwired biochemical eruptions that happen at certain points in life (after puberty; after school; middle age for example), and in the more trad times these were mostly culturally encoded as to do with love and heartbreak.

When you literally feel insane, can't eat, can't sleep, everything feels weird, you want to howl at the moon.

Hence all of pop culture being about love and heartbreak. It's banal stuff until it hits you. But when it does hit you, suddenly what used to be banal stuff is now cosmic wisdom. The lyrics in the pop songs and the dialogues in the soaps suddenly become hard-hitting stuff, giggle.

Later, toward the end of the 20th century, due to a number of factors, many people started encoding the same "biochemical insanity event" as "OMG I'm actually gay". And it also works that way. It turns out a great many "identities" can be powered by the same energy source.

Later still, as in these days, this energy increasingly powers "OMG I'm trans". Although it's the same energy that powered "OMG I'm gay" in 2005, and "OMG I'm so in love" in 1995 and before that.

All at the same junctions in life. Where a guy in a midlife crisis would leave his wife because "he suddenly fell in love with an amazing waitress", and a generation later "because he realized he's gay",  now it's "because he realized he was a woman all along". Same energy, same life junction, different encoding.

So I guess what I'm saying, kid, is that it's up to you decide how to harness this biochemical event you're going through.

I suggest going trad: anchor yourself through the Orthodox anti-hypno, through old timey flicks with Sean Connery and Clint Eastwood and early Steven Seagal, read some Conans, and find a girl which to be "very in love with" hehe.

And later, when you've bounced back, and rebuilt yourself in a new and improved version, you can go back to experimenting with stuff like substances and porn and hypno, but this time in a much more aware manner. 

About old timey films--they really are therapy. Also pay attention to how the men and women look there, before corporations and psychopaths started dictating warped versions of masculinity and femininity. Roger Moore as James Bond, or Sean Connery--no hyperbolic muscles, no crude grunting and swearing. Being generally in shape and having a sense of taste IS masculine.

Likewise you will see what normal pretty women looked like before everything went to hell, including everybody's endocrine systems. Use old timey media as an anchor to normality, it'll help. 

Cartoonish bombast also helps. Try Conan (1982) or some 1980s Heavy Metal. In the heavy metal you can see that playing around with being androgynous, being super phallic at one moment and acting girly the next is also completely OK. In a sense David Bowie started this, and Mick Jagger, back in the early 1970s.

Everything is going to be OK. Don't fret too much. Angsty pining and feeling crazy at 14 is normal. Just don't let warping external forces convince you how to encode your experience. You get to decide and you alone. And for this to happen do three things:
1) Take a step back from the Internet for a while, so that you body and mind can regain some sort of natural equilibrium. Maybe rediscover films, books, music, walks. Getting off 99% of the Internet instantly cuts through the b.s. concerning "what is the real me". After a few weeks without social media or regular forums "the real me" comes sharply into focus, and the external influences melt away like the illusory b.s. they always were.
2) Don't allow groups or institutions to tell you 'what your identity is'-- that's entirely your choice.
3) Expand your access to media. Try films and music from different eras and different cultures. The bigger your context the bigger your choices. Read a Nigerian newspaper for a couple of days, see how it strikes you.

And don't worry about erections and sexual performance and stuff. Concentrate on regaining balance and anchoring, and everything else will happen automatically as a result of that. But even if from time to time erections aren't constantly iron hard--that's also super normal. 

Lastly, although this sounds absurd at 14, do try to wank less. Once a day is good, twice a week even better.  And try to wank quickly to imagination, or soft erotica, not half the night to hard porn. Give the nervous system a break for a bit. 

[Like Ra]

Here's an anti-hypno deprogramming file.

Forbidden 403

Strong Orthodox Christian themes

You want him to switch from one egregore to a more aggressive and hungry one? 😂

[Cattani]

Here's an anti-hypno deprogramming file.

Forbidden 403

Strong Orthodox Christian themes

You want him to switch from one egregore to a more aggressive and hungry one? 😂

Welp, maybe fate intervened and everyone is safe 😁
(But not, the other link just below still works)

[Like Ra]

at 14-15 is the perfect age to spend a year in a weird "insane" state, which in the past was culturally encoded as "OMG I'm in love" or "OMG I'm unhappily in love".

Isn't it beginning to happen around 12? When the next socialization level is formed? That's also why he kids are moving from the basic to the middle school. OTOH, at 14 the sacral (swadhisthana) chakra is "formed" and the navel (manipura) one is beginning to evolve (14-21).

Later, toward the end of the 20th century, due to a number of factors

That's the interesting part!

Same energy, same life junction, different encoding.

What is your explanation of the "encoding" difference?

corporations and psychopaths started dictating warped versions of masculinity and femininity.

Any particular reasons why?

I think it's for this thread: https://www.likera.com/forum/mybb/showth...p?tid=1483 I'm very curious about your opinion on the subject!

Being generally in shape and having a sense of taste IS masculine.

And also feminine 😉

1) Take a step back from the Internet for a while

Agree here.

2) Don't allow groups or institutions to tell you 'what your identity is'-- that's entirely your choice.

Extremely difficult without a proper meditation/mindfullness level. I'm afraid it's pretty much impossible at that age.

3) Expand your access to media. Try films and music from different eras and different cultures. The bigger your context the bigger your choices. Read a Nigerian newspaper for a couple of days, see how it strikes you.

We are getting back to the Internet here, since it's quite difficult to get your hands on different media without one. Let's redefine the 1) as "get off all social networks and forums".

Concentrate on regaining balance and anchoring, and everything else will happen automatically as a result of that.

Agree here. I would add: concentrate on the positive things you would like to achieve (e.g. healthy life, good education, enlightenment, etc), NOT on what you would like to get rid of. If you concentrate on few clearly defined positive things, the "bad ones" dry out and fall off.

although this sounds absurd at 14, do try to wank less. Once a day is good, twice a week even better.

Agree here again.

[Bignak]

I suggest going trad: anchor yourself through the Orthodox anti-hypno
I am not Christian nor Jewish I am Muslim which is probably pretty rare in this forum, but is it possible to find any deprogramming files for Muslims ?

[Like Ra]

I am not Christian nor Jewish I am Muslim which is probably pretty rare in this forum, but is it possible to find any deprogramming files for Muslims ?

You want him to switch from one egregore to a more aggressive and hungry one? 😂

So, yes, that's what I meant. The cleaning files (or the meditation subject) must not mention any strong egregores at all. This is the idea:

concentrate on the positive things you would like to achieve (e.g. healthy life, good education, enlightenment, etc), NOT on what you would like to get rid of. If you concentrate on few clearly defined positive things, the "bad ones" dry out and fall off.

[Like Ra]

Here's a quick explanation. Let's imagine you want to stop smoking. If you formulate your intention as "I want to stop smoking" or  "I want smoking removed", or "I want smoking", so, in fact you will concentrate on "smoking". See what I mean? Instead, you might "meditate" on a good health, good physical form, high energy level, clear mind, having a good memory, being kind to everybody, etc. After some time the egregore of smoking will stop bothering you, because if you stop feeding the troll, the troll will ignore you.

You change your perception of the world by changing the subject of your attention. Whatever your attention is busy with is getting your energy. And if you are not aware what you are currently thinking about, looking at, listening to - your energy goes everywhere, what means nowhere - you loose your energy. It's you who must decide, what you are going to spend your energy/time/money on. What means you have to be aware of what you are doing and thinking about. And this is exactly what's called "mindfullness" (a terribly overused word).

How to achieve that? You can start with learning to control/be aware of your body, then control/be aware of your emotions, then control/be aware of your thoughts. And this process is what yoga and qigong are about. Instead of weird egregors or deities your concentrate on your body, on your feelings, on yourself, what increases your energy and makes all other parasites dry out (without your energy) and fall off.